Shin victory threatens Ochoa's No. 1 standing

xman5 · 05-02-2010, 06:20 PM

Originally Posted by ajraymond

Blue the Rolex Rankings are so secretive that they will not show you how they arrive at their numbers. From what I could decipher from what I read. Shin would take over number one if Lorena finished 5th or worse and Miyazato would of taken over number one with a victory, Lorena finishing out of the top 10 and Shin not winning in Japan. Going by that I have to assume Miyazato is third behind Lorena and now #1 Shin. It has to be fractions though. You know what could actually be funny? Say Miyazato and Shin play bad their next tournament........ the potential is probably there for Lorena to regain number 1!
That's why I don't take the rankings too seriously.

Its not a secret, but I don't have it memorized.

The problem is that without playing Ochoa will start to drop quickly. Especially Since her best play is older and will depreciate quickly.

greentee · 05-02-2010, 06:24 PM

Originally Posted by dangerbob

Here you go...

Women's World Golf Rankings - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Looks like Michelle could move up a couple of spots now to.... ninth to seventh???

Blue · 05-02-2010, 06:39 PM

Originally Posted by dangerbob

Here you go...

Women's World Golf Rankings - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Everything available is still very vague. Like that web site and this one:

Official Rolex Website: Rolex Rankings

Neither of these will help an outsider determine how many points are awarded to a specific player for a specific finish in a specific tournament.

ajraymond · 05-02-2010, 06:52 PM

Originally Posted by Blue

What role do tournaments dropping off after two play? Since Lorena had a lot of wins in 2008 and only three in 2009, that must be affecting her ranking because she now only has one win in the last 52 weeks.

Blue the womens rankings are actually based just like the mens.

Official World Golf Ranking - ranking - Retief Player Bio - 5/2/2010 10:52:17 PM

If you'll notice that it is actually worse to have played tournaments from two years ago on your divisor then to have ever played them at all. Retief had a T-4 and a T-6 from two years ago and those two tournaments are actually dragging down his ranking. Points are given for results and decrease marginally over the two years until they drop off. The thing is a tournament from two years ago still counts as 1 towards your divisor.

ajraymond · 05-02-2010, 06:59 PM

Originally Posted by xman5

Its not a secret, but I don't have it memorized.

The problem is that without playing Ochoa will start to drop quickly. Especially Since her best play is older and will depreciate quickly.

It is a secret because the divisors on the Asian ladies are out of whack. Unless you see what they are considering a "tournament" for all I know they are counting some Korean club championship and giving them zero points for the tournament. From what I've seen from the last 18 months on the LPGA tour, Ji Yai Shin should of already been the number one player in the world. Unless I see the numbers, it is a secret and can be tweaked from whoever is in charge.

Buzzer · 05-02-2010, 08:15 PM

All tours do not count the same.....different tours are weighted differently.

T had the differences written down somewhere, and now that I could use them I can't find them. Give me a few days to look....maybe I'll come up with them.

Unfortunately I have to proctor eight AP exams in the next week +, so my time is at a premium right now.

But, X-man is right....the "how" and "why" in coming up with the rankings is not a secret....never was...Just complicated...

Viva Anika

DJGOLFER59 · 05-02-2010, 08:31 PM

I'm telling you, the point chart is on this forum somewhere, we just have to find it.....

it was posted from the klpga site by a poster in an old rolex thread. I've been trying to look but cant find it.

dangerbob · 05-02-2010, 08:44 PM

How about this...

Official Rolex Website: Rolex Rankings

xman5 · 05-02-2010, 09:23 PM

Here is how it is done.

LPGA.com

LoJo · 05-02-2010, 10:14 PM

Regardless of who is #1 in tomorrow's Rolex rankings, here is Lorena's take on her retirement as #1.

(From her Final round interview)

Q: Are you upset that you didn't finish high enough to be No. 1 in tomorrow's rankings?
LORENA OCHOA: I announced my retirement last week. Today, I'm still No. 1. I finished No. 1. So I'm really happy.

Q: So in your mind, you're where you want to be.
LORENA OCHOA: So many changes with the numbers, it doesn't make any difference. I finished here where I wanted to finish, and everything is good.

05-02-2010, 06:20 PM	#11
xman5 Contest Statistician Join Date: May 2006 Location: NYC Posts: 3,904	Originally Posted by ajraymond Blue the Rolex Rankings are so secretive that they will not show you how they arrive at their numbers. From what I could decipher from what I read. Shin would take over number one if Lorena finished 5th or worse and Miyazato would of taken over number one with a victory, Lorena finishing out of the top 10 and Shin not winning in Japan. Going by that I have to assume Miyazato is third behind Lorena and now #1 Shin. It has to be fractions though. You know what could actually be funny? Say Miyazato and Shin play bad their next tournament........ the potential is probably there for Lorena to regain number 1! That's why I don't take the rankings too seriously. Its not a secret, but I don't have it memorized. The problem is that without playing Ochoa will start to drop quickly. Especially Since her best play is older and will depreciate quickly.

05-02-2010, 06:24 PM	#12
greentee Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Calgary, Alberta, Canada Posts: 1,484 Images: 4	Originally Posted by dangerbob Here you go... Women's World Golf Rankings - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Looks like Michelle could move up a couple of spots now to.... ninth to seventh??? __________________ ... I am not a tree, I am a tee... hit me, ah... wait a minute...

05-02-2010, 06:39 PM	#13
Blue Forum Moderator Contests: Joint 3rd place overall winner 2009. Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 7,650 Images: 6	Originally Posted by dangerbob Here you go... Women's World Golf Rankings - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Everything available is still very vague. Like that web site and this one: Official Rolex Website: Rolex Rankings Neither of these will help an outsider determine how many points are awarded to a specific player for a specific finish in a specific tournament.

05-02-2010, 06:52 PM	#14
ajraymond Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 656	Originally Posted by Blue What role do tournaments dropping off after two play? Since Lorena had a lot of wins in 2008 and only three in 2009, that must be affecting her ranking because she now only has one win in the last 52 weeks. Blue the womens rankings are actually based just like the mens. Official World Golf Ranking - ranking - Retief Player Bio - 5/2/2010 10:52:17 PM If you'll notice that it is actually worse to have played tournaments from two years ago on your divisor then to have ever played them at all. Retief had a T-4 and a T-6 from two years ago and those two tournaments are actually dragging down his ranking. Points are given for results and decrease marginally over the two years until they drop off. The thing is a tournament from two years ago still counts as 1 towards your divisor.

05-02-2010, 06:59 PM	#15
ajraymond Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 656	Originally Posted by xman5 Its not a secret, but I don't have it memorized. The problem is that without playing Ochoa will start to drop quickly. Especially Since her best play is older and will depreciate quickly. It is a secret because the divisors on the Asian ladies are out of whack. Unless you see what they are considering a "tournament" for all I know they are counting some Korean club championship and giving them zero points for the tournament. From what I've seen from the last 18 months on the LPGA tour, Ji Yai Shin should of already been the number one player in the world. Unless I see the numbers, it is a secret and can be tweaked from whoever is in charge.

05-02-2010, 08:15 PM	#16
Buzzer Moderator Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Hilton Head, SC Posts: 2,831 Images: 13	All tours do not count the same.....different tours are weighted differently. T had the differences written down somewhere, and now that I could use them I can't find them. Give me a few days to look....maybe I'll come up with them. Unfortunately I have to proctor eight AP exams in the next week +, so my time is at a premium right now. But, X-man is right....the "how" and "why" in coming up with the rankings is not a secret....never was...Just complicated... Viva Anika

05-02-2010, 08:31 PM	#17
DJGOLFER59 Contest Statistician Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,685	I'm telling you, the point chart is on this forum somewhere, we just have to find it..... it was posted from the klpga site by a poster in an old rolex thread. I've been trying to look but cant find it.

05-02-2010, 08:44 PM	#18
dangerbob Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 4,872	How about this... Official Rolex Website: Rolex Rankings __________________ "On this hapless EARTH There's small SINCERITY of mirth And LAUGHTER oft is but an ART To drown the outcry of the HEART!"

05-02-2010, 09:23 PM	#19
xman5 Contest Statistician Join Date: May 2006 Location: NYC Posts: 3,904	Here is how it is done. LPGA.com

05-02-2010, 10:14 PM	#20
LoJo Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: The Golf Course Posts: 2,217 Images: 1	Regardless of who is #1 in tomorrow's Rolex rankings, here is Lorena's take on her retirement as #1. (From her Final round interview) Q: Are you upset that you didn't finish high enough to be No. 1 in tomorrow's rankings? LORENA OCHOA: I announced my retirement last week. Today, I'm still No. 1. I finished No. 1. So I'm really happy. Q: So in your mind, you're where you want to be. LORENA OCHOA: So many changes with the numbers, it doesn't make any difference. I finished here where I wanted to finish, and everything is good.

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