Taiwan lands 2011 Official Event

ajraymond · 08-25-2010, 10:31 PM

Originally Posted by golfnut

Isn't this just lovely. We find out that there will be a NEW event for 2011, with a $2 Million purse, and what is the reaction? Mostly negative. We are just barely starting to emerge from the worst recession since the great depression, and emerging from the shadow of Bivens and negativity towards an announcement like this? I just don't get it. It's a new tournament, with a $2 million purse, and it fills a week in the schedule. I can understand some reservations, absolutely. But this? Unbelievable.

Exactly. It would be great to get any events no matter where they are.

ajraymond · 08-25-2010, 10:49 PM

Originally Posted by Blue

Again, what proof do you have that they are treated like rock stars everywhere they go in the world? We have seen some sponsors, like HSBC roll out the red carpet for LPGA players when they play at their events. There is no proof that they fans come out in force to watch them.

It's nice to have a positive attitude. A positive attitude alone does not sell tickets.

Blue I gave you proof of three tournaments worldwide that treat the women great and give them the crowds,coverage and paychecks they deserve. Evian, British Open and Canadian Open. Are you trying to tell me those are three examples of it not working? I would be willing to bet anything that there could be tournaments all over the world working by the same principle. In the same country every year but moving around that country (Evian stays put). Okay there is three that are 3 of the biggest events on tour. It's your turn, show me 3 from outside the U.S that haven't worked. Maybe the one in Mexico, any others? I would love to see a LPGA event in Russia. Get some of those Russian beauties to put down those tennis rackets and pick up a nine iron. Sell the game worldwide!

Blue · 08-26-2010, 08:39 AM

Originally Posted by ajraymond

Blue I gave you proof of three tournaments worldwide that treat the women great and give them the crowds,coverage and paychecks they deserve. Evian, British Open and Canadian Open. Are you trying to tell me those are three examples of it not working? I would be willing to bet anything that there could be tournaments all over the world working by the same principle. In the same country every year but moving around that country (Evian stays put). Okay there is three that are 3 of the biggest events on tour. It's your turn, show me 3 from outside the U.S that haven't worked. Maybe the one in Mexico, any others? I would love to see a LPGA event in Russia. Get some of those Russian beauties to put down those tennis rackets and pick up a nine iron. Sell the game worldwide!

Lots of tournaments treat players great, even tournaments that no fans go to.

For a tournament to be successful it has to have people watching both in person and on television. A lot of people

The folks in Corning, New York loved all the LPGA players. The people at Williamsburg, Virgnia treated the players extremely well. Where are these tournaments? Pro golf is a spectator sport. Without spectators it will cease to exist.

I was looking for data showing that the international tournaments you claimed are all highly-attended or that 10-15 new international will all be highly attended which you also claimed. Unless I missed something in your posts, which is possible, all I saw was an anecdote about how much the Japanese and Chinese love Paula and Morgan.

nwa · 08-26-2010, 12:58 PM

Originally Posted by golfnut

Isn't this just lovely. We find out that there will be a NEW event for 2011, with a $2 Million purse, and what is the reaction? Mostly negative. We are just barely starting to emerge from the worst recession since the great depression, and emerging from the shadow of Bivens and negativity towards an announcement like this? I just don't get it. It's a new tournament, with a $2 million purse, and it fills a week in the schedule. I can understand some reservations, absolutely. But this? Unbelievable.

Spot on.

Blue · 08-26-2010, 08:07 PM

Originally Posted by golfnut

Isn't this just lovely. We find out that there will be a NEW event for 2011, with a $2 Million purse, and what is the reaction? Mostly negative. We are just barely starting to emerge from the worst recession since the great depression, and emerging from the shadow of Bivens and negativity towards an announcement like this? I just don't get it. It's a new tournament, with a $2 million purse, and it fills a week in the schedule. I can understand some reservations, absolutely. But this? Unbelievable.

It's important in business to know what's real and what's not and not to swallow everything without question, hook line and sinker. Until I can see proof that a tournament in Taiwan is anything more than a glorified pro-am with a big payout, like a lot of the Asian tournaments have been, questioning is valid.

golfnut · 08-27-2010, 03:32 AM

Originally Posted by Blue

It's important in business to know what's real and what's not and not to swallow everything without question, hook line and sinker. Until I can see proof that a tournament in Taiwan is anything more than a glorified pro-am with a big payout, like a lot of the Asian tournaments have been, questioning is valid.

First of all, i never said to accept any new announcements without question. What i said was that i didn't understand ALL of the negativity towards this announcement. It doesn't really make sense.

Second of all, you said until you see proof that this isn't a glorified pro-am that you wouldn't consider this real. I hardly call a $2 Million event with a 90 player field a glorified pro-am. And how have a lot of the other Asian events been nothing more than glorified pro-ams as you put it? These events don't have fields of 20 or 30 players as some pro-ams do. The smallest field for the 5 Asian events is 60 players with the largest field being 80 players. Hardly a glorified pro-am considering that full-field event sizes start at 108 players. These events in Asia haven't disappeared, with the exception of the China event. This is good news for the tour, and should be treated as such.

Blue · 08-27-2010, 09:37 AM

Originally Posted by golfnut

First of all, i never said to accept any new announcements without question. What i said was that i didn't understand ALL of the negativity towards this announcement. It doesn't really make sense.

Second of all, you said until you see proof that this isn't a glorified pro-am that you wouldn't consider this real. I hardly call a $2 Million event with a 90 player field a glorified pro-am. And how have a lot of the other Asian events been nothing more than glorified pro-ams as you put it? These events don't have fields of 20 or 30 players as some pro-ams do. The smallest field for the 5 Asian events is 60 players with the largest field being 80 players. Hardly a glorified pro-am considering that full-field event sizes start at 108 players. These events in Asia haven't disappeared, with the exception of the China event. This is good news for the tour, and should be treated as such.

There was an assertion made that there would be lot of spectators and furthermore, that international events always have lots of spectators. No data was ever presented to back this up. Also there is no indication that this event will be on TV, anywhere. There is no indication at all that it will be on TV in the U.S.

Pro sports as I've said again and again is entertainment for fans and is a spectator sport. Without that it is nothing. Until I see that this event in Taiwan is anything more than a private event to show off the government of Taiwan's dedication to golf, which I consider a glorified pro-am, I will question it, which you apparently consider negative.

It's a sad day when questioning equal negative.

xman5 · 08-27-2010, 01:14 PM

Originally Posted by Blue

There was an assertion made that there would be lot of spectators and furthermore, that international events always have lots of spectators. No data was ever presented to back this up. Also there is no indication that this event will be on TV, anywhere. There is no indication at all that it will be on TV in the U.S.

Pro sports as I've said again and again is entertainment for fans and is a spectator sport. Without that it is nothing. Until I see that this event in Taiwan is anything more than a private event to show off the government of Taiwan's dedication to golf, which I consider a glorified pro-am, I will question it, which you apparently consider negative.

It's a sad day when questioning equal negative.

A couple of points, yes it would be nice to see the event here on tv, if even on tape delay. But what is also important is revenue. Any thing that helps revenue is a good thing.

The event has nothing to do with the gov't of Taiwan (as far as I know). They gov't was approached last year and flatly rejected the idea of spending that amount of money for a golf event.

Limited field is different then a proam. The one getting hurt in here is the players on the second half of the ranking list. Then again they should play better and get into these events. If a majority of the top 60 players are in attendance (with a majority of the top 10) how is it not legit as a tournament.

NTB · 08-27-2010, 01:21 PM

Originally Posted by Blue

Lots of tournaments treat players great, even tournaments that no fans go to.

For a tournament to be successful it has to have people watching both in person and on television. A lot of people

The folks in Corning, New York loved all the LPGA players. The people at Williamsburg, Virgnia treated the players extremely well. Where are these tournaments? Pro golf is a spectator sport. Without spectators it will cease to exist.

I was looking for data showing that the international tournaments you claimed are all highly-attended or that 10-15 new international will all be highly attended which you also claimed. Unless I missed something in your posts, which is possible, all I saw was an anecdote about how much the Japanese and Chinese love Paula and Morgan.

Blue I think you know that ladies sports are very popular in asian countries.
Thats why Ai is so Popular as Chie Arimura. I don't know why the men in this
country prefer mens sports and it worries me. Men are supposed to like women.
Most foreign countries have it right. I don't need to prove it you know it is true.

Blue · 08-27-2010, 01:53 PM

Originally Posted by notaxbill

Blue I think you know that ladies sports are very popular in asian countries.
Thats why Ai is so Popular as Chie Arimura. I don't know why the men in this
country prefer mens sports and it worries me. Men are supposed to like women.
Most foreign countries have it right. I don't need to prove it you know it is true.

Actually, I don't know that and so far despite all the claims on this board about it, no one has presented one speck of evidence that Asian tournaments attact lots of fans. All I've heard is lot of ethnic and national stereotyping about how people find Asian women attractive, and lots of grouping of all of Asia into one big group, when in reality Taiwan is a very different culture than Japan.

And, yeah, you do have to prove it's true if you don't want me to question it ... or as golfnut interpreted it ... be "negative."

08-25-2010, 10:31 PM	#21
ajraymond Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 656	Originally Posted by golfnut Isn't this just lovely. We find out that there will be a NEW event for 2011, with a $2 Million purse, and what is the reaction? Mostly negative. We are just barely starting to emerge from the worst recession since the great depression, and emerging from the shadow of Bivens and negativity towards an announcement like this? I just don't get it. It's a new tournament, with a $2 million purse, and it fills a week in the schedule. I can understand some reservations, absolutely. But this? Unbelievable. Exactly. It would be great to get any events no matter where they are.

08-25-2010, 10:49 PM	#22
ajraymond Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 656	Originally Posted by Blue Again, what proof do you have that they are treated like rock stars everywhere they go in the world? We have seen some sponsors, like HSBC roll out the red carpet for LPGA players when they play at their events. There is no proof that they fans come out in force to watch them. It's nice to have a positive attitude. A positive attitude alone does not sell tickets. Blue I gave you proof of three tournaments worldwide that treat the women great and give them the crowds,coverage and paychecks they deserve. Evian, British Open and Canadian Open. Are you trying to tell me those are three examples of it not working? I would be willing to bet anything that there could be tournaments all over the world working by the same principle. In the same country every year but moving around that country (Evian stays put). Okay there is three that are 3 of the biggest events on tour. It's your turn, show me 3 from outside the U.S that haven't worked. Maybe the one in Mexico, any others? I would love to see a LPGA event in Russia. Get some of those Russian beauties to put down those tennis rackets and pick up a nine iron. Sell the game worldwide! Last edited by ajraymond; 08-25-2010 at 10:53 PM.

08-26-2010, 08:39 AM	#23
Blue Forum Moderator Contests: Joint 3rd place overall winner 2009. Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 7,650 Images: 6	Originally Posted by ajraymond Blue I gave you proof of three tournaments worldwide that treat the women great and give them the crowds,coverage and paychecks they deserve. Evian, British Open and Canadian Open. Are you trying to tell me those are three examples of it not working? I would be willing to bet anything that there could be tournaments all over the world working by the same principle. In the same country every year but moving around that country (Evian stays put). Okay there is three that are 3 of the biggest events on tour. It's your turn, show me 3 from outside the U.S that haven't worked. Maybe the one in Mexico, any others? I would love to see a LPGA event in Russia. Get some of those Russian beauties to put down those tennis rackets and pick up a nine iron. Sell the game worldwide! Lots of tournaments treat players great, even tournaments that no fans go to. For a tournament to be successful it has to have people watching both in person and on television. A lot of people The folks in Corning, New York loved all the LPGA players. The people at Williamsburg, Virgnia treated the players extremely well. Where are these tournaments? Pro golf is a spectator sport. Without spectators it will cease to exist. I was looking for data showing that the international tournaments you claimed are all highly-attended or that 10-15 new international will all be highly attended which you also claimed. Unless I missed something in your posts, which is possible, all I saw was an anecdote about how much the Japanese and Chinese love Paula and Morgan.

08-26-2010, 12:58 PM	#24
nwa Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 77 Images: 1	Originally Posted by golfnut Isn't this just lovely. We find out that there will be a NEW event for 2011, with a $2 Million purse, and what is the reaction? Mostly negative. We are just barely starting to emerge from the worst recession since the great depression, and emerging from the shadow of Bivens and negativity towards an announcement like this? I just don't get it. It's a new tournament, with a $2 million purse, and it fills a week in the schedule. I can understand some reservations, absolutely. But this? Unbelievable. Spot on.

08-26-2010, 08:07 PM	#25
Blue Forum Moderator Contests: Joint 3rd place overall winner 2009. Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 7,650 Images: 6	Originally Posted by golfnut Isn't this just lovely. We find out that there will be a NEW event for 2011, with a $2 Million purse, and what is the reaction? Mostly negative. We are just barely starting to emerge from the worst recession since the great depression, and emerging from the shadow of Bivens and negativity towards an announcement like this? I just don't get it. It's a new tournament, with a $2 million purse, and it fills a week in the schedule. I can understand some reservations, absolutely. But this? Unbelievable. It's important in business to know what's real and what's not and not to swallow everything without question, hook line and sinker. Until I can see proof that a tournament in Taiwan is anything more than a glorified pro-am with a big payout, like a lot of the Asian tournaments have been, questioning is valid.

08-27-2010, 03:32 AM	#26
golfnut Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Mandeville, Louisiana Posts: 484	Originally Posted by Blue It's important in business to know what's real and what's not and not to swallow everything without question, hook line and sinker. Until I can see proof that a tournament in Taiwan is anything more than a glorified pro-am with a big payout, like a lot of the Asian tournaments have been, questioning is valid. First of all, i never said to accept any new announcements without question. What i said was that i didn't understand ALL of the negativity towards this announcement. It doesn't really make sense. Second of all, you said until you see proof that this isn't a glorified pro-am that you wouldn't consider this real. I hardly call a $2 Million event with a 90 player field a glorified pro-am. And how have a lot of the other Asian events been nothing more than glorified pro-ams as you put it? These events don't have fields of 20 or 30 players as some pro-ams do. The smallest field for the 5 Asian events is 60 players with the largest field being 80 players. Hardly a glorified pro-am considering that full-field event sizes start at 108 players. These events in Asia haven't disappeared, with the exception of the China event. This is good news for the tour, and should be treated as such.

08-27-2010, 09:37 AM	#27
Blue Forum Moderator Contests: Joint 3rd place overall winner 2009. Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 7,650 Images: 6	Originally Posted by golfnut First of all, i never said to accept any new announcements without question. What i said was that i didn't understand ALL of the negativity towards this announcement. It doesn't really make sense. Second of all, you said until you see proof that this isn't a glorified pro-am that you wouldn't consider this real. I hardly call a $2 Million event with a 90 player field a glorified pro-am. And how have a lot of the other Asian events been nothing more than glorified pro-ams as you put it? These events don't have fields of 20 or 30 players as some pro-ams do. The smallest field for the 5 Asian events is 60 players with the largest field being 80 players. Hardly a glorified pro-am considering that full-field event sizes start at 108 players. These events in Asia haven't disappeared, with the exception of the China event. This is good news for the tour, and should be treated as such. There was an assertion made that there would be lot of spectators and furthermore, that international events always have lots of spectators. No data was ever presented to back this up. Also there is no indication that this event will be on TV, anywhere. There is no indication at all that it will be on TV in the U.S. Pro sports as I've said again and again is entertainment for fans and is a spectator sport. Without that it is nothing. Until I see that this event in Taiwan is anything more than a private event to show off the government of Taiwan's dedication to golf, which I consider a glorified pro-am, I will question it, which you apparently consider negative. It's a sad day when questioning equal negative.

08-27-2010, 01:14 PM	#28
xman5 Contest Statistician Join Date: May 2006 Location: NYC Posts: 3,904	Originally Posted by Blue There was an assertion made that there would be lot of spectators and furthermore, that international events always have lots of spectators. No data was ever presented to back this up. Also there is no indication that this event will be on TV, anywhere. There is no indication at all that it will be on TV in the U.S. Pro sports as I've said again and again is entertainment for fans and is a spectator sport. Without that it is nothing. Until I see that this event in Taiwan is anything more than a private event to show off the government of Taiwan's dedication to golf, which I consider a glorified pro-am, I will question it, which you apparently consider negative. It's a sad day when questioning equal negative. A couple of points, yes it would be nice to see the event here on tv, if even on tape delay. But what is also important is revenue. Any thing that helps revenue is a good thing. The event has nothing to do with the gov't of Taiwan (as far as I know). They gov't was approached last year and flatly rejected the idea of spending that amount of money for a golf event. Limited field is different then a proam. The one getting hurt in here is the players on the second half of the ranking list. Then again they should play better and get into these events. If a majority of the top 60 players are in attendance (with a majority of the top 10) how is it not legit as a tournament.

08-27-2010, 01:21 PM	#29
NTB Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: hot springs village arkansas Posts: 2,288 Images: 4	Originally Posted by Blue Lots of tournaments treat players great, even tournaments that no fans go to. For a tournament to be successful it has to have people watching both in person and on television. A lot of people The folks in Corning, New York loved all the LPGA players. The people at Williamsburg, Virgnia treated the players extremely well. Where are these tournaments? Pro golf is a spectator sport. Without spectators it will cease to exist. I was looking for data showing that the international tournaments you claimed are all highly-attended or that 10-15 new international will all be highly attended which you also claimed. Unless I missed something in your posts, which is possible, all I saw was an anecdote about how much the Japanese and Chinese love Paula and Morgan. Blue I think you know that ladies sports are very popular in asian countries. Thats why Ai is so Popular as Chie Arimura. I don't know why the men in this country prefer mens sports and it worries me. Men are supposed to like women. Most foreign countries have it right. I don't need to prove it you know it is true. __________________ God Bless America \"Those people who will not be governed by God will be ruled by tyrants.\" - William Penn

08-27-2010, 01:53 PM	#30
Blue Forum Moderator Contests: Joint 3rd place overall winner 2009. Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 7,650 Images: 6	Originally Posted by notaxbill Blue I think you know that ladies sports are very popular in asian countries. Thats why Ai is so Popular as Chie Arimura. I don't know why the men in this country prefer mens sports and it worries me. Men are supposed to like women. Most foreign countries have it right. I don't need to prove it you know it is true. Actually, I don't know that and so far despite all the claims on this board about it, no one has presented one speck of evidence that Asian tournaments attact lots of fans. All I've heard is lot of ethnic and national stereotyping about how people find Asian women attractive, and lots of grouping of all of Asia into one big group, when in reality Taiwan is a very different culture than Japan. And, yeah, you do have to prove it's true if you don't want me to question it ... or as golfnut interpreted it ... be "negative."

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