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Old 04-27-2008, 07:53 AM   #1
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Contests: Proposed Rule Change

I'm proposing a rule change for the weekly contests.

Almost every week we have a withdraw or two or three: people who start the contest but don't finish.

I understand that it takes some commitment to be online at the right time to post picks three times each weekend and sometimes it's not possible to follow through.

However, withdrawing can also be used strategically as an advantage. If you're at or near the bottom of the leaderboard why not withdraw to maintain your season standings? Have we seen this happen this year? Maybe.

So I'm proposing that instead of not getting any points for a withdraw we change this so that the person who withdraws gets the same points as the person who finishes in last place, therefore instituting a penalty for withdrawing.

I want to be democratic about this so what do you think? Let people withdraw at any time without penalty or change the rules to impose a penalty for withdrawing part way through the tournament?
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Old 04-27-2008, 08:10 AM   #2
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I would say change the rules to impose a penalty for withdrawing part way through the tournament.
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Old 04-27-2008, 09:33 AM   #3
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Sounds fair to me.

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Old 04-27-2008, 03:04 PM   #4
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I would agree with your ruling unless the players withdraws with an injury or illness.
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Old 04-27-2008, 04:26 PM   #5
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There is a separate rule is a player withdraws. We're talking about if a contestant withdraws. I don't think we really want to get in the business of having contestants report reasons for their withdrawal.

And ... Welcome SURFERGIRL. You are welcome to join the weekly contest next week.
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Old 04-29-2008, 04:46 PM   #6
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Dear Blue: I just got back to Mexico City and read your proposed changes to the rules. I agree 100%. I posted on the Stanford International thread: ?Blue: I have been called on an emergency to a mine way out in Iguala where we are working, I am waiting for other technical people and will be about a 6 hours drive from Mexico City. I doubt I will be able to make my picks for tomorrow. Sorry! I still appreciate your job. If I get some kind of penalty, I will accept it.?
I know the new rule is not retroactive, but in my case I was willing to take a penalty, since I was aware I was doing poorly in the contest, so I will accept a penalty if you so desire from my withdrawal on the last event.
Now the Elf began to think (once in a while I do). Another way to stay in the top positions, is not participating in events that are very hard and scores will be way up, the contestant average (if he/she has participated in few events) will go way up. Look at the current seasons standings: Elf in first place with only four events, no wins and a withdrawal. Cougar with only 3 events and a third place. Ajraymond is in third place with only three events and only a second and third place.
In my opinion, season standings should only include those who participate regularly. Those of us who do not participate often (I have to be back at the mine and I doubt I will participate this week) should not be included in the standings.
I enjoy very much participating in the contests and I would love to do it regularly. If I can not do it, it is my problem and I am aware that I have no chance of being in the top place of the standing (even if I do deserve it because of my superlative ability to pick winners) because of my lack of constant participation.
According to my analysis of current points, Blue is in first place with asitlies, carol, xman and Buzzer close behind.
Good luck to all of you.
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Old 04-29-2008, 06:39 PM   #7
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Well, it looks we have no dissenters to the rule change.

It will not be made retroactively.

It will start with this week's tournament in Oklahoma.

The top three in the standings remain:
Elf
Cougar
ajraymond

Keep playing whenever you can and continued good luck everyone!
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Old 04-29-2008, 06:58 PM   #8
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Originally Posted by Blue View Post
Well, it looks we have no dissenters to the rule change.

It will not be made retroactively.

It will start with this week's tournament in Oklahoma.

The top three in the standings remain:
Elf
Cougar
ajraymond

Keep playing whenever you can and continued good luck everyone!
You should eliminate from the standings those who have less than 51% participation including me
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Old 04-30-2008, 09:08 AM   #9
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events) will go way up. Look at the current seasons standings: Elf in first place with only four events, no wins and a withdrawal. Cougar with only 3 events and a third place. Ajraymond is in third place with only three events and only a second and third place.
In my opinion, season standings should only include those who participate regularly. Those of us who do not participate often (I have to be back at the mine and I doubt I will participate this week) should not be included in the standings.
If you are going to use cumulative scoring as the basis for the standings, then to actually make it fair you need to have the scores for each week weighted.

What makes it not fair if you play a tournament where the top 20 are all five under or better but skip a torunament where there are hardly anyone is above par. That will push your avg down. IE you always play super easy course.

However I do not think that you can do this because it just makes the scoring too complicated and too much work for the scorer. Hey there is no money involved and it is just for fun.

I think a better system is a points system. X number of points for first, Y number of points for second etc. This rewards weekly results with out overall penalty for a high scoring tournament. It also encourages maximum participation. Basically say 10 for 1 win, 6 for second, 4 for third, 3 for fourth 2 fifth, 1 for six, the rest 0. No need to offer more points for majors, just keep it simple and easy to compute.

Perhaps you can have 2 trophies at the end of the year. Player of the Year for Points and a Scoring Champion. (Just as they do on tour). For scoring champion you will need some type of minimum number of tournaments, not very high but enough so that someone that only plays 1 tournament is not the scoring champ.
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Old 05-01-2008, 01:43 PM   #10
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This is what I was thinking. Weighting, while ideal, is way too much work the scorer.

Obviously there are flaws now because participating in only, or mostly, low scoring tournaments pushes your average down. But it's just for fun and as far as we know no money is changing hands.

Anyway, I was thinking that an end of year prize for lowest scoring average as well as a prize for highest placements.

There would be a minimum number of tournaments played rule as well.
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