Futures Tour Spokesperson Blasts Wie

Boola Boss · 07-16-2007, 05:46 AM

Originally Posted by ajraymond

Courage doesn't pay the bills. She was LPGA caliber. There was no need for her to be on the Futures or PGA Tours. If she had of started out on the Futures Tour and her game went south (like it has) she would of cost herself millions and millions of dollars. There is a lot of points in that article that makes sense but playing on the futures tour wasn't one of them.

Would the Futures Tour have signed her up as a 12, 13, 14 or 15-year old?............Of course NOT.........you would have to be 18 AND a HS grad to boot.........so the whole article was moot........and had no meaning at all.......and I think Michelle has a LOT of courage.........teeing it up against the best professional men golfers in the world..........as a 14-year-old GIRL!.............

Boola Boss · 07-16-2007, 05:55 AM

Originally Posted by Blue

Sorry, PW. I know you and the other Wie fans want it all to just go away. Just like Michelle does. Unfortunately it doesn't work this way.

No one on this discussion board wrote this article. The director of communication for the Futures Tour did.

It does not appear to be going away soon, so you might as well deal with the bad news.

Yes, and she made a BIG mistake posting it..........her whole article did not pertain to Michelle at ALL.........although she kept mentioning her name........can you imagine a 14-year-old driving from city to city to play golf........first of all she could only play in a state that allows 14-year-olds to drive........ wait a minute.......there are NONE of them.........and as I said on another post.........she would have to wait until she was 18 just to JOIN!.......

MarinePaul · 07-16-2007, 06:48 AM

Originally Posted by Boola Boss

Yes, and she made a BIG mistake posting it..........her whole article did not pertain to Michelle at ALL.........although she kept mentioning her name........can you imagine a 14-year-old driving from city to city to play golf........first of all she could only play in a state that allows 14-year-olds to drive........ wait a minute.......there are NONE of them.........and as I said on another post.........she would have to wait until she was 18 just to JOIN!.......

Not necessarily. Remember, everything is on a "case by case" basis since the Aree Song waiver (thanks again, Votaw).

As far as having made a "BIG mistake," your view is typical. Just as Annika as vilified for being honest after the Ginn by the Wie contingent, Mickey probably will be, too. The fact is, she was honest. To the Wie fans who have a problem with that concept, I cite Jack Nicholson in "A Few Good Men": You can't HANDLE the truth.

It wasn't courage that made a 14- year- old girl tee it up against the PGA players. It was arrogance.

Blue · 07-16-2007, 08:20 AM

Originally Posted by Boola Boss

you would have to be 18 AND a HS grad to boot..

You only have to be 17 to join the Futures Tour.

In any case, the point Mickey is making isn't about whether not Wie should have played on the Futures Tour four years ago -- obviously she shouldn't have. No child should be playing professional golf at that age. It's about whether Wie could now take a lesson courage from these players about learning to continue to play on in the face of adversity.

This applies at any level, in all sports. Actually it applies in all aspects of life. Quitting and quitting while lying is never a good approach.

No Boola it doesn't take any particular courage to tee it up against PGA players. It does take some courage not to quit when the going gets tough.

PAC RIM · 07-16-2007, 08:33 AM

Originally Posted by MarinePaul

Not necessarily. Remember, everything is on a "case by case" basis since the Aree Song waiver (thanks again, Votaw).

As far as having made a "BIG mistake," your view is typical. Just as Annika as vilified for being honest after the Ginn by the Wie contingent, Mickey probably will be, too. The fact is, she was honest. To the Wie fans who have a problem with that concept, I cite Jack Nicholson in "A Few Good Men": You can't HANDLE the truth.

It wasn't courage that made a 14- year- old girl tee it up against the PGA players. It was arrogance.

Gee I wonder why Michelle didn't develop herself on the Futures Tour?

Could it be the money?

Duramed FUTURES Tour Career Money Leaders
(Thru $80,000 CIGNA Golf Classic)

Rank Player Hometown Earnings

1 Marilyn Lovander Gainesville, Fla. $211,106
2 Lori Atsedes Ithaca, N.Y. $186,614
3 Jan Kleiman Lakeland, Fla. $179,934
4 Sue Ginter Appleton, Wis. $144,606
5 Michelle Bell Jupiter, Fla. $126,765
6 Elizabeth Bowman Bonita, Calif. $115,789
7 Audra Burks Altamonte Springs, Fla. $115,600
8 Shelley Sanders Sharon, Pa. $114,658
9 Debbie Eckroth Harrisburg, Pa. $113,654
10 Michele Vinieratos Altamonte Springs, Fla. $111,282

It should be noted these are career earnings.

195 Michelle Wie Honolulu, Hi $740,194

It should also be noted Michelle would stack up as 195 on the career LPGA money list ahead of Angela Park, Carri Wood, Amy Hung, Laura Baugh and a whole bunch of other active LPGA members.

After Michelle is healed and finds her lost swing, I believe she will prove she is well beyond playing in junior tour golf tournaments. To believe anything else is simply ridiculous.

paddyman · 07-16-2007, 08:55 AM

Originally Posted by Blue

The point is that The Futures Tour is the official development tour of the LPGA. For someone aligned with the LPGA in the way that their spokesperson is to blast Wie in this way is a startling development.

It's not startling at all. It's called sour grapes. Wie brought attention to many tours and she didn't bring that attention to the Futures Tour and that annoys some people.

Originally Posted by Blue

She's also talking about an LPGA-caliber player showing the courage that the minor league players have, not directly implying that Wie should have necessarily played on the Futures Tour.

She was talking about things like driving cars across America and living on their own out of a backpack.
Did she expect Michelle to do this at what 12, 13 or 14 years of age?
How about 15 or 16?
It's pure nonsense. A girl like that driving across America on her own living out of a backpack would be completely irresponsible on her parents behalf.

And as regards it helping them mature, Brianna Vega is someone who has alledgedly had it tough, not doing well on the Futures, going around trying to scrape by, but it really hadn't done much for her golf game yet. Same with many other players.

paddyman · 07-16-2007, 08:58 AM

Originally Posted by Blue

Wow, really, the Futures Tour spokesperson blasting Wie is boring? Especially since she admitted that Wie withdrew from the Ginn to avoid tha 88 rule, despite what the LPGA has so far said. That is far from boring, when you keep in mind the business relationship between the LPGA and Futures Tour. It's pretty much an admission from the LPGA that Wie withdrew because of the 88 rule.

How do you come up with these things?
At least DangerBob makes attempts to be humourous. Your posts are often unintentially humourous.
The way you jump from one conclusion from something completely different is amazing. That person is not a Carolyn Bivens spokesperson, Carolyn can speak for herself when to wants.

MarinePaul · 07-16-2007, 08:59 AM

Originally Posted by paddyman

It's not startling at all. It's called sour grapes. Wie brought attention to many tours and she didn't bring that attention to the Futures Tour and that annoys some people.

She was talking about things like driving cars across America and living on their own out of a backpack.
Did she expect Michelle to do this at what 12, 13 or 14 years of age?
How about 15 or 16?
It's pure nonsense. A girl like that driving across America on her own living out of a backpack would be completely irresponsible on her parents behalf.

And as regards it helping them mature, Brianna Vega is someone who has alledgedly had it tough, not doing well on the Futures, going around trying to scrape by, but it really hadn't done much for her golf game yet. Same with many other players.

A ridiculous argument. Her parents would have been driving her across country, and she'd hardly be on her own. Are you for real?

paddyman · 07-16-2007, 09:05 AM

Originally Posted by MarinePaul

A ridiculous argument. Her parents would have been driving her across country, and she'd hardly be on her own. Are you for real?

Courage to pack the trunk and leave home. Courage to drive from tournament to tournament in 14 states and to sleep in a different bed every week.

It says courage to leave home. It's not leaving home as such if your parents go with you. If leaving home, meant going off with your parents, then that is something that she did do, just not on the Futures Tour.
And she says: courage to drive from tournament to tournament NOT to be driven from tournament to tournament.

MarinePaul · 07-16-2007, 09:13 AM

Originally Posted by paddyman

Courage to pack the trunk and leave home. Courage to drive from tournament to tournament in 14 states and to sleep in a different bed every week.

It says courage to leave home. It's not leaving home as such if your parents go with you. If leaving home, meant going off with your parents, then that is something that she did do, just not on the Futures Tour.
And she says: courage to drive from tournament to tournament NOT to be driven from tournament to tournament.

The legal age to drive in the States is 16, so your "point" is ridiculous. I use the quotes because you have no point. In Wie's case, as long as BJ is alive, using your scenario, Michelle will never "leave home," because it's unlikely he'll ever let her have an original thought.

07-16-2007, 05:46 AM	#21
Boola Boss Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 970 Images: 4	Originally Posted by ajraymond Courage doesn't pay the bills. She was LPGA caliber. There was no need for her to be on the Futures or PGA Tours. If she had of started out on the Futures Tour and her game went south (like it has) she would of cost herself millions and millions of dollars. There is a lot of points in that article that makes sense but playing on the futures tour wasn't one of them. Would the Futures Tour have signed her up as a 12, 13, 14 or 15-year old?............Of course NOT.........you would have to be 18 AND a HS grad to boot.........so the whole article was moot........and had no meaning at all.......and I think Michelle has a LOT of courage.........teeing it up against the best professional men golfers in the world..........as a 14-year-old GIRL!............. __________________ A BIG Michelle Wie fan!

07-16-2007, 05:55 AM	#22
Boola Boss Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 970 Images: 4	Originally Posted by Blue Sorry, PW. I know you and the other Wie fans want it all to just go away. Just like Michelle does. Unfortunately it doesn't work this way. No one on this discussion board wrote this article. The director of communication for the Futures Tour did. It does not appear to be going away soon, so you might as well deal with the bad news. Yes, and she made a BIG mistake posting it..........her whole article did not pertain to Michelle at ALL.........although she kept mentioning her name........can you imagine a 14-year-old driving from city to city to play golf........first of all she could only play in a state that allows 14-year-olds to drive........ wait a minute.......there are NONE of them.........and as I said on another post.........she would have to wait until she was 18 just to JOIN!....... __________________ A BIG Michelle Wie fan!

07-16-2007, 06:48 AM	#23
MarinePaul Moderator Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Warren, Ohio Posts: 8,003	Originally Posted by Boola Boss Yes, and she made a BIG mistake posting it..........her whole article did not pertain to Michelle at ALL.........although she kept mentioning her name........can you imagine a 14-year-old driving from city to city to play golf........first of all she could only play in a state that allows 14-year-olds to drive........ wait a minute.......there are NONE of them.........and as I said on another post.........she would have to wait until she was 18 just to JOIN!....... Not necessarily. Remember, everything is on a "case by case" basis since the Aree Song waiver (thanks again, Votaw). As far as having made a "BIG mistake," your view is typical. Just as Annika as vilified for being honest after the Ginn by the Wie contingent, Mickey probably will be, too. The fact is, she was honest. To the Wie fans who have a problem with that concept, I cite Jack Nicholson in "A Few Good Men": You can't HANDLE the truth. It wasn't courage that made a 14- year- old girl tee it up against the PGA players. It was arrogance. __________________ Happiness isn't getting what you want, it's wanting what you have.

07-16-2007, 08:20 AM	#24
Blue Forum Moderator Contests: Joint 3rd place overall winner 2009. Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 7,650 Images: 6	Originally Posted by Boola Boss you would have to be 18 AND a HS grad to boot.. You only have to be 17 to join the Futures Tour. In any case, the point Mickey is making isn't about whether not Wie should have played on the Futures Tour four years ago -- obviously she shouldn't have. No child should be playing professional golf at that age. It's about whether Wie could now take a lesson courage from these players about learning to continue to play on in the face of adversity. This applies at any level, in all sports. Actually it applies in all aspects of life. Quitting and quitting while lying is never a good approach. No Boola it doesn't take any particular courage to tee it up against PGA players. It does take some courage not to quit when the going gets tough. Last edited by Blue; 07-16-2007 at 08:22 AM.

07-16-2007, 08:33 AM	#25
PAC RIM Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 520 Images: 1	Originally Posted by MarinePaul Not necessarily. Remember, everything is on a "case by case" basis since the Aree Song waiver (thanks again, Votaw). As far as having made a "BIG mistake," your view is typical. Just as Annika as vilified for being honest after the Ginn by the Wie contingent, Mickey probably will be, too. The fact is, she was honest. To the Wie fans who have a problem with that concept, I cite Jack Nicholson in "A Few Good Men": You can't HANDLE the truth. It wasn't courage that made a 14- year- old girl tee it up against the PGA players. It was arrogance. Gee I wonder why Michelle didn't develop herself on the Futures Tour? Could it be the money? Duramed FUTURES Tour Career Money Leaders (Thru $80,000 CIGNA Golf Classic) Rank Player Hometown Earnings 1 Marilyn Lovander Gainesville, Fla. $211,106 2 Lori Atsedes Ithaca, N.Y. $186,614 3 Jan Kleiman Lakeland, Fla. $179,934 4 Sue Ginter Appleton, Wis. $144,606 5 Michelle Bell Jupiter, Fla. $126,765 6 Elizabeth Bowman Bonita, Calif. $115,789 7 Audra Burks Altamonte Springs, Fla. $115,600 8 Shelley Sanders Sharon, Pa. $114,658 9 Debbie Eckroth Harrisburg, Pa. $113,654 10 Michele Vinieratos Altamonte Springs, Fla. $111,282 It should be noted these are career earnings. 195 Michelle Wie Honolulu, Hi $740,194 It should also be noted Michelle would stack up as 195 on the career LPGA money list ahead of Angela Park, Carri Wood, Amy Hung, Laura Baugh and a whole bunch of other active LPGA members. After Michelle is healed and finds her lost swing, I believe she will prove she is well beyond playing in junior tour golf tournaments. To believe anything else is simply ridiculous.

07-16-2007, 08:55 AM	#26
paddyman Moderator Join Date: May 2006 Location: Ireland Posts: 1,613	Originally Posted by Blue The point is that The Futures Tour is the official development tour of the LPGA. For someone aligned with the LPGA in the way that their spokesperson is to blast Wie in this way is a startling development. It's not startling at all. It's called sour grapes. Wie brought attention to many tours and she didn't bring that attention to the Futures Tour and that annoys some people. Originally Posted by Blue She's also talking about an LPGA-caliber player showing the courage that the minor league players have, not directly implying that Wie should have necessarily played on the Futures Tour. She was talking about things like driving cars across America and living on their own out of a backpack. Did she expect Michelle to do this at what 12, 13 or 14 years of age? How about 15 or 16? It's pure nonsense. A girl like that driving across America on her own living out of a backpack would be completely irresponsible on her parents behalf. And as regards it helping them mature, Brianna Vega is someone who has alledgedly had it tough, not doing well on the Futures, going around trying to scrape by, but it really hadn't done much for her golf game yet. Same with many other players.

07-16-2007, 08:58 AM	#27
paddyman Moderator Join Date: May 2006 Location: Ireland Posts: 1,613	Originally Posted by Blue Wow, really, the Futures Tour spokesperson blasting Wie is boring? Especially since she admitted that Wie withdrew from the Ginn to avoid tha 88 rule, despite what the LPGA has so far said. That is far from boring, when you keep in mind the business relationship between the LPGA and Futures Tour. It's pretty much an admission from the LPGA that Wie withdrew because of the 88 rule. How do you come up with these things? At least DangerBob makes attempts to be humourous. Your posts are often unintentially humourous. The way you jump from one conclusion from something completely different is amazing. That person is not a Carolyn Bivens spokesperson, Carolyn can speak for herself when to wants.

07-16-2007, 08:59 AM	#28
MarinePaul Moderator Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Warren, Ohio Posts: 8,003	Originally Posted by paddyman It's not startling at all. It's called sour grapes. Wie brought attention to many tours and she didn't bring that attention to the Futures Tour and that annoys some people. She was talking about things like driving cars across America and living on their own out of a backpack. Did she expect Michelle to do this at what 12, 13 or 14 years of age? How about 15 or 16? It's pure nonsense. A girl like that driving across America on her own living out of a backpack would be completely irresponsible on her parents behalf. And as regards it helping them mature, Brianna Vega is someone who has alledgedly had it tough, not doing well on the Futures, going around trying to scrape by, but it really hadn't done much for her golf game yet. Same with many other players. A ridiculous argument. Her parents would have been driving her across country, and she'd hardly be on her own. Are you for real? __________________ Happiness isn't getting what you want, it's wanting what you have.

07-16-2007, 09:05 AM	#29
paddyman Moderator Join Date: May 2006 Location: Ireland Posts: 1,613	Originally Posted by MarinePaul A ridiculous argument. Her parents would have been driving her across country, and she'd hardly be on her own. Are you for real? Courage to pack the trunk and leave home. Courage to drive from tournament to tournament in 14 states and to sleep in a different bed every week. It says courage to leave home. It's not leaving home as such if your parents go with you. If leaving home, meant going off with your parents, then that is something that she did do, just not on the Futures Tour. And she says: courage to drive from tournament to tournament NOT to be driven from tournament to tournament.

07-16-2007, 09:13 AM	#30
MarinePaul Moderator Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Warren, Ohio Posts: 8,003	Originally Posted by paddyman Courage to pack the trunk and leave home. Courage to drive from tournament to tournament in 14 states and to sleep in a different bed every week. It says courage to leave home. It's not leaving home as such if your parents go with you. If leaving home, meant going off with your parents, then that is something that she did do, just not on the Futures Tour. And she says: courage to drive from tournament to tournament NOT to be driven from tournament to tournament. The legal age to drive in the States is 16, so your "point" is ridiculous. I use the quotes because you have no point. In Wie's case, as long as BJ is alive, using your scenario, Michelle will never "leave home," because it's unlikely he'll ever let her have an original thought. __________________ Happiness isn't getting what you want, it's wanting what you have.

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