2010 DFT - Riviera Nayarit Classic

dangerbob · 03-30-2010, 03:05 PM

Originally Posted by Blue

Interesting. I hadn't heard anything about Korean players who wanted to play in the US having trouble getting visas.,, but I don't really know how this works. Do they need a US work visa if the tournament is outside the US? So if the Futures Tour is in Mexico do they need a US work visa? Do they need a work visa to go to Q-school? I'm just trying to learn about this.

Only in the U.S. Many people from other countries, especially from Asia and the third world countries, who want to come here, so there is a certain quota on how many people can come to the U.S. from each country. It also defend on the type of visa they're applying for. It has to do with Immigration Control. If that quota is full, then it's hard for them to get a visa. Other countries who don't have immigration problems have their own rules...like Canada for example...they're less populated country, so they are very lenient in granting visas.
With regard to the Korean golfers who come to the U.S. to play...it's just my assumption. It can be right or wrong, just my opinion and I'm not going to argue about it.

If you want to learn more about it, look under the U.S. Immigration Quota!

xman5 · 03-30-2010, 04:56 PM

Originally Posted by dangerbob

It might be the U.S. Immigration quota. There is a certain quota in each "visa classification" from every country who are allowed to come to the U.S., and if that classification is full...unless those who are holding those visa give them up they have to wait for their turn. Because of the influx of the Korean golfers in the U.S., maybe it's getting harder for them to get work visa. JMHO.

It has nothing to do with it.

They get what is called a P-1 visa. It goes to sports and entertainment people and allows them to work in the US.

It is a special classification non immigrant work visa. There is no quota. It basically is just a formality and no one usually gets turned down (if it is legit).

Buzzer · 03-30-2010, 05:17 PM

Okaqy, Bobblehead....you're better at picking golfers, but I'm better at the legal question.
No quota on anyone coming to this country to play sports. There is a quota on people from certain other countries coming here for citizenship.
There are different kinds of cards people can apply for...student visas; work visas; etc.....
Regardless of what type visa you are applying for you must pass muster on character, etc....
My source of info.......my daughter, who has been an immigration only attorney for twenty years. Her husband is an assistant U.S.Attorney General.
I kid her often that she gets them in, and he throws them out. (Not true; just a joke).....
To give you an idea how complicated immigration law is, she has a clerk whose job is to read the immigration law changes on a daily basis....that's how often changes are made. It's also a reason that much of her work is taking over cases botched by attorneys that know nothing about immigration law.
Why go to a divorce lawyer or a real estate lawyer with an immigration problem. That's akin to going to a dentist 'cause you've got a bellyache.

Viva Annika

xman5 · 03-30-2010, 05:21 PM

Originally Posted by notaxbill

Greentee.. I don't think America will ever again dominate the LPGA.

When was the last time that they did. Annika, Webb, Pak, Ocha have dominated the last 10 years.

All of the older players that were good are gone or almost gone Pepper,Inkster,Jones, Sheehan,Mallon etc. The generation after those players did not produce anyone and the void (accept a few notables Creamer,Wie etc) has been filled by foreign players, not just from Korea. There are large numbers of players from Europe and elewhere from Asia (Pettersen, Nordqvist, Tseng, Ai etc).

Korea is only so big and has been spending the last 10 years developing their talent. They may have just reached there population limit.

At some point the next big push will come from China. Someone on Sundays broadcast may a great comment that now that the Olympics will recognize golf, China will now make a big push behind the sport. The equipment manufactures are drooling over that fact.

Watch out in 10 years it may be China.

xman5 · 03-30-2010, 05:24 PM

Originally Posted by Buzzer

Okaqy, Bobblehead....you're better at picking golfers, but I'm better at the legal question.
No quota on anyone coming to this country to play sports. There is a quota on people from certain other countries coming here for citizenship.
There are different kinds of cards people can apply for...student visas; work visas; etc.....
Regardless of what type visa you are applying for you must pass muster on character, etc....
My source of info.......my daughter, who has been an immigration only attorney for twenty years. Her husband is an assistant U.S.Attorney General.
I kid her often that she gets them in, and he throws them out. (Not true; just a joke).....
To give you an idea how complicated immigration law is, she has a clerk whose job is to read the immigration law changes on a daily basis....that's how often changes are made. It's also a reason that much of her work is taking over cases botched by attorneys that know nothing about immigration law.
Why go to a divorce lawyer or a real estate lawyer with an immigration problem. That's akin to going to a dentist 'cause you've got a bellyache.

Viva Annika

Ask her how the P-1 and P-4 visa works, thats what they work under.

dangerbob · 03-30-2010, 07:25 PM

Originally Posted by xman5

It has nothing to do with it.

They get what is called a P-1 visa. It goes to sports and entertainment people and allows them to work in the US.

It is a special classification non immigrant work visa. There is no quota. It basically is just a formality and no one usually gets turned down (if it is legit).

If you have a serious criminal record/s you can be turned down. Also getting a visa, if you live in an Asian countries is not as easy as you think. Many of them get turned down especially for a "visitor" or "tourist visa" 'cause most of them once they get here don't come back, hide, and work illegally. Why do you think the Mexican cross the border illegally? Because they can not obtain a visa!

dangerbob · 03-30-2010, 07:44 PM

Originally Posted by Buzzer

Okaqy, Bobblehead....you're better at picking golfers, but I'm better at the legal question.
No quota on anyone coming to this country to play sports. There is a quota on people from certain other countries coming here for citizenship.
There are different kinds of cards people can apply for...student visas; work visas; etc.....
Regardless of what type visa you are applying for you must pass muster on character, etc....
My source of info.......my daughter, who has been an immigration only attorney for twenty years. Her husband is an assistant U.S.Attorney General.
I kid her often that she gets them in, and he throws them out. (Not true; just a joke).....
To give you an idea how complicated immigration law is, she has a clerk whose job is to read the immigration law changes on a daily basis....that's how often changes are made. It's also a reason that much of her work is taking over cases botched by attorneys that know nothing about immigration law.
Why go to a divorce lawyer or a real estate lawyer with an immigration problem. That's akin to going to a dentist 'cause you've got a bellyache.

Viva Annika

On the highlighted statement, you are absolutely wrong, your honor. The "quota" is not for citizenship. It is for immigrating to the U.S.A. like getting a "permanent visa". If you are a "permanent" or Green card holder you can stay here in the U.S. as long as you want wothout becoming a U.S. citizen. If you acquired your permanent residency by marriage(marrying a U.S.citizen) after 3 years, you can apply for citizenship. If you acquired your permanent residency by other preferences, there is usually a 5 years waiting period before you are elligible to apply for citizenship. Some people don't want to be a U.S. citizen. The difference between a U.S. citizen and "Permanent Residence" are: If you are a permanent resident: (1) You can not vote, (2) You can not run for public office, (3) You can not work for the Federal Government (You can work for the State and City government though) and (4) If you commit a very serious crime, you're subject to get deported to your country of citizenship.

NTB · 03-30-2010, 09:57 PM

Originally Posted by xman5

When was the last time that they did. Annika, Webb, Pak, Ocha have dominated the last 10 years.

The last ones I can remember was Beth Danial's or Nancy Lopez.

Wie maybe, if she could get her driver and putter working on the same day.
Her fans and Mom and POP can't want it for her, she will have to make that
commitment for herself,just as Annika had to.

greentee · 03-30-2010, 11:03 PM

Originally Posted by Buzzer

Why go to a divorce lawyer or a real estate lawyer with an immigration problem. That's akin to going to a dentist 'cause you've got a bellyache.

Viva Annika

Thanks Buzz, good advice. :-)

greentee · 03-30-2010, 11:08 PM

Originally Posted by dangerbob

The difference between a U.S. citizen and "Permanent Residence" are: If you are a permanent resident: (1) You can not vote, (2) You can not run for public office, (3) You can not work for the Federal Government (You can work for the State and City government though) and (4) If you commit a very serious crime, you're subject to get deported to your country of citizenship.

What about paying taxes?

03-30-2010, 03:05 PM	#11
dangerbob Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 4,872	Originally Posted by Blue Interesting. I hadn't heard anything about Korean players who wanted to play in the US having trouble getting visas.,, but I don't really know how this works. Do they need a US work visa if the tournament is outside the US? So if the Futures Tour is in Mexico do they need a US work visa? Do they need a work visa to go to Q-school? I'm just trying to learn about this. Only in the U.S. Many people from other countries, especially from Asia and the third world countries, who want to come here, so there is a certain quota on how many people can come to the U.S. from each country. It also defend on the type of visa they're applying for. It has to do with Immigration Control. If that quota is full, then it's hard for them to get a visa. Other countries who don't have immigration problems have their own rules...like Canada for example...they're less populated country, so they are very lenient in granting visas. With regard to the Korean golfers who come to the U.S. to play...it's just my assumption. It can be right or wrong, just my opinion and I'm not going to argue about it. If you want to learn more about it, look under the U.S. Immigration Quota! __________________ "On this hapless EARTH There's small SINCERITY of mirth And LAUGHTER oft is but an ART To drown the outcry of the HEART!"

03-30-2010, 04:56 PM	#12
xman5 Contest Statistician Join Date: May 2006 Location: NYC Posts: 3,904	Originally Posted by dangerbob It might be the U.S. Immigration quota. There is a certain quota in each "visa classification" from every country who are allowed to come to the U.S., and if that classification is full...unless those who are holding those visa give them up they have to wait for their turn. Because of the influx of the Korean golfers in the U.S., maybe it's getting harder for them to get work visa. JMHO. It has nothing to do with it. They get what is called a P-1 visa. It goes to sports and entertainment people and allows them to work in the US. It is a special classification non immigrant work visa. There is no quota. It basically is just a formality and no one usually gets turned down (if it is legit). Last edited by xman5; 03-30-2010 at 05:09 PM.

03-30-2010, 05:21 PM	#14
xman5 Contest Statistician Join Date: May 2006 Location: NYC Posts: 3,904	Originally Posted by notaxbill Greentee.. I don't think America will ever again dominate the LPGA. When was the last time that they did. Annika, Webb, Pak, Ocha have dominated the last 10 years. All of the older players that were good are gone or almost gone Pepper,Inkster,Jones, Sheehan,Mallon etc. The generation after those players did not produce anyone and the void (accept a few notables Creamer,Wie etc) has been filled by foreign players, not just from Korea. There are large numbers of players from Europe and elewhere from Asia (Pettersen, Nordqvist, Tseng, Ai etc). Korea is only so big and has been spending the last 10 years developing their talent. They may have just reached there population limit. At some point the next big push will come from China. Someone on Sundays broadcast may a great comment that now that the Olympics will recognize golf, China will now make a big push behind the sport. The equipment manufactures are drooling over that fact. Watch out in 10 years it may be China.

03-30-2010, 05:24 PM	#15
xman5 Contest Statistician Join Date: May 2006 Location: NYC Posts: 3,904	Originally Posted by Buzzer Okaqy, Bobblehead....you're better at picking golfers, but I'm better at the legal question. No quota on anyone coming to this country to play sports. There is a quota on people from certain other countries coming here for citizenship. There are different kinds of cards people can apply for...student visas; work visas; etc..... Regardless of what type visa you are applying for you must pass muster on character, etc.... My source of info.......my daughter, who has been an immigration only attorney for twenty years. Her husband is an assistant U.S.Attorney General. I kid her often that she gets them in, and he throws them out. (Not true; just a joke)..... To give you an idea how complicated immigration law is, she has a clerk whose job is to read the immigration law changes on a daily basis....that's how often changes are made. It's also a reason that much of her work is taking over cases botched by attorneys that know nothing about immigration law. Why go to a divorce lawyer or a real estate lawyer with an immigration problem. That's akin to going to a dentist 'cause you've got a bellyache. Viva Annika Ask her how the P-1 and P-4 visa works, thats what they work under.

03-30-2010, 07:25 PM	#16
dangerbob Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 4,872	Originally Posted by xman5 It has nothing to do with it. They get what is called a P-1 visa. It goes to sports and entertainment people and allows them to work in the US. It is a special classification non immigrant work visa. There is no quota. It basically is just a formality and no one usually gets turned down (if it is legit). If you have a serious criminal record/s you can be turned down. Also getting a visa, if you live in an Asian countries is not as easy as you think. Many of them get turned down especially for a "visitor" or "tourist visa" 'cause most of them once they get here don't come back, hide, and work illegally. Why do you think the Mexican cross the border illegally? Because they can not obtain a visa! __________________ "On this hapless EARTH There's small SINCERITY of mirth And LAUGHTER oft is but an ART To drown the outcry of the HEART!"

03-30-2010, 05:17 PM	#13
Buzzer Moderator Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Hilton Head, SC Posts: 2,831 Images: 13	Okaqy, Bobblehead....you're better at picking golfers, but I'm better at the legal question. No quota on anyone coming to this country to play sports. There is a quota on people from certain other countries coming here for citizenship. There are different kinds of cards people can apply for...student visas; work visas; etc..... Regardless of what type visa you are applying for you must pass muster on character, etc.... My source of info.......my daughter, who has been an immigration only attorney for twenty years. Her husband is an assistant U.S.Attorney General. I kid her often that she gets them in, and he throws them out. (Not true; just a joke)..... To give you an idea how complicated immigration law is, she has a clerk whose job is to read the immigration law changes on a daily basis....that's how often changes are made. It's also a reason that much of her work is taking over cases botched by attorneys that know nothing about immigration law. Why go to a divorce lawyer or a real estate lawyer with an immigration problem. That's akin to going to a dentist 'cause you've got a bellyache. Viva Annika

03-30-2010, 07:44 PM	#17
dangerbob Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 4,872	Originally Posted by Buzzer Okaqy, Bobblehead....you're better at picking golfers, but I'm better at the legal question. No quota on anyone coming to this country to play sports. There is a quota on people from certain other countries coming here for citizenship. There are different kinds of cards people can apply for...student visas; work visas; etc..... Regardless of what type visa you are applying for you must pass muster on character, etc.... My source of info.......my daughter, who has been an immigration only attorney for twenty years. Her husband is an assistant U.S.Attorney General. I kid her often that she gets them in, and he throws them out. (Not true; just a joke)..... To give you an idea how complicated immigration law is, she has a clerk whose job is to read the immigration law changes on a daily basis....that's how often changes are made. It's also a reason that much of her work is taking over cases botched by attorneys that know nothing about immigration law. Why go to a divorce lawyer or a real estate lawyer with an immigration problem. That's akin to going to a dentist 'cause you've got a bellyache. Viva Annika On the highlighted statement, you are absolutely wrong, your honor. The "quota" is not for citizenship. It is for immigrating to the U.S.A. like getting a "permanent visa". If you are a "permanent" or Green card holder you can stay here in the U.S. as long as you want wothout becoming a U.S. citizen. If you acquired your permanent residency by marriage(marrying a U.S.citizen) after 3 years, you can apply for citizenship. If you acquired your permanent residency by other preferences, there is usually a 5 years waiting period before you are elligible to apply for citizenship. Some people don't want to be a U.S. citizen. The difference between a U.S. citizen and "Permanent Residence" are: If you are a permanent resident: (1) You can not vote, (2) You can not run for public office, (3) You can not work for the Federal Government (You can work for the State and City government though) and (4) If you commit a very serious crime, you're subject to get deported to your country of citizenship. __________________ "On this hapless EARTH There's small SINCERITY of mirth And LAUGHTER oft is but an ART To drown the outcry of the HEART!"

03-30-2010, 09:57 PM	#18
NTB Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: hot springs village arkansas Posts: 2,288 Images: 4	Originally Posted by xman5 When was the last time that they did. Annika, Webb, Pak, Ocha have dominated the last 10 years. The last ones I can remember was Beth Danial's or Nancy Lopez. Wie maybe, if she could get her driver and putter working on the same day. Her fans and Mom and POP can't want it for her, she will have to make that commitment for herself,just as Annika had to. __________________ God Bless America \"Those people who will not be governed by God will be ruled by tyrants.\" - William Penn

03-30-2010, 11:03 PM	#19
greentee Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Calgary, Alberta, Canada Posts: 1,484 Images: 4	Originally Posted by Buzzer Why go to a divorce lawyer or a real estate lawyer with an immigration problem. That's akin to going to a dentist 'cause you've got a bellyache. Viva Annika Thanks Buzz, good advice. :-) __________________ ... I am not a tree, I am a tee... hit me, ah... wait a minute...

03-30-2010, 11:08 PM	#20
greentee Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Calgary, Alberta, Canada Posts: 1,484 Images: 4	Originally Posted by dangerbob The difference between a U.S. citizen and "Permanent Residence" are: If you are a permanent resident: (1) You can not vote, (2) You can not run for public office, (3) You can not work for the Federal Government (You can work for the State and City government though) and (4) If you commit a very serious crime, you're subject to get deported to your country of citizenship. What about paying taxes? __________________ ... I am not a tree, I am a tee... hit me, ah... wait a minute...

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