Bivens has support

gxer · 07-19-2009, 04:41 PM

Originally Posted by Buzzer

I agree with you on the gender thing, Gxer....but somewhere along the line it was suggested that a man should be hired. I don't think that is a necessity.
I also agre with you that it is a business problem. Where I didn't (and don't) agree with you is that it is ALL about the money. I do firmly believe that relationships must be re-established and then good business will follow culminating in better money....at least down the road.

Viva Annika

I know you don't agree about the money but the battle over money is what has caused the problems the LPGA tour faces now, losing events.

To put it simply, CB wanted more money, a lot more money, than events were willing to pay.

What would have happened if the events in question had agreed to CB's demands?

xman5 · 07-19-2009, 06:02 PM

Originally Posted by gxer

To put it simply, CB wanted more money, a lot more money, than events were willing to pay.

A lot more money then they were capable of paying. The choice was then die or pay. Since they are not able to pay they die. CB's position was then if you can't pay die, but she was not able to replace them and what she brought in all died.

It's that simple.

gxer · 07-19-2009, 06:41 PM

Buzzer,

You need to have a talk with the folks at The Jamie Farr Owens Corning Classic because it seems that they are NOT using your method, instead they are looking at, OMG, MONEY first.

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But before Silverman starts dealing with new LPGA leadership, he plans on spending the next month budgeting what it would take to bring back the Farr.
"Owens Corning and Kroger, we'll sit down with them and see what they want to do for 2010, as well as our other sponsors, and we'll determine what we think our sales will be, and then we'll be in a position to know what we can spend. That's the key."
Silverman adds, "Certainly they're gonna look at the kind of attendance we had and the dollars we give to charity are very important to our sponsors, so - they're gonna look at how well was the event attended and what was the bottom line like, and then we'll move forward with the LPGA."

What does Bivens' exit mean for Farr?

Buzzer · 07-19-2009, 07:42 PM

They have to talk that way now that CB has destroyed the relationship, and since there is no one actually in charge they have to maintain a tough front. Who can blame them?
I don't believe any tournament director will sign a new contract until the new commish takes over. The TD's will want to talk and assess what kind of relationships they might have with the LPGA AND then talk money. Makes better business sense that way.

Relationships relate to trust....trust relates to finances....

Viva Annika

MarinePaul · 07-19-2009, 07:50 PM

Originally Posted by Buzzer

They have to talk that way now that CB has destroyed the relationship, and since there is no one actually in charge they have to maintain a tough front. Who can blame them?
I don't believe any tournament director will sign a new contract until the new commish takes over. The TD's will want to talk and assess what kind of relationships they might have with the LPGA AND then talk money. Makes better business sense that way.

Relationships relate to trust....trust relates to finances....

Viva Annika

I agree, Buzzer. You have to have the trust that the new commissioner won't be a Bivens clone. The money will follow, but it all starts with having a positive experience while writing the check.

I've bought my last three cars from the same dealership. The reason is, they've always treated me well. Their price may not have been less than other dealerships, but the service I get has always been very good.

cleo · 07-19-2009, 08:18 PM

Originally Posted by gxer

Buzzer,

You need to have a talk with the folks at The Jamie Farr Owens Corning Classic because it seems that they are NOT using your method, instead they are looking at, OMG, MONEY first.
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What does Bivens' exit mean for Farr?

you forgot what was mentioned earlier in the article: "Our balancing act is, we want to have a purse high enough to attract the top players, but we also want to have a bottom line so that we can support the charities each year," said Silverman.

that's called compromise. They're not talking about scattering some crumbs for the tour, in a take it or leave it proposal. It's the middle ground, also known as "win, win".

gxer · 07-19-2009, 09:04 PM

Originally Posted by cleo

you forgot what was mentioned earlier in the article: "Our balancing act is, we want to have a purse high enough to attract the top players, but we also want to have a bottom line so that we can support the charities each year," said Silverman.

that's called compromise. They're not talking about scattering some crumbs for the tour, in a take it or leave it proposal. It's the middle ground, also known as "win, win".

The balancing act is about money.

ctmurray · 07-19-2009, 10:35 PM

Originally Posted by cleo

you forgot what was mentioned earlier in the article: "Our balancing act is, we want to have a purse high enough to attract the top players, but we also want to have a bottom line so that we can support the charities each year," said Silverman.

that's called compromise. They're not talking about scattering some crumbs for the tour, in a take it or leave it proposal. It's the middle ground, also known as "win, win".

Hasn't the schedule been shortened enough in the future that top players can get plenty of rest while still playing all the events? I know Lorena has been taking quite a bit of time off, presumably to focus on majors, but this is not really working for her this year. I would nearly all the players to play all events (unless they dont qualify for some reason).

cleo · 07-20-2009, 07:58 AM

Originally Posted by ctmurray

Hasn't the schedule been shortened enough in the future that top players can get plenty of rest while still playing all the events? I know Lorena has been taking quite a bit of time off, presumably to focus on majors, but this is not really working for her this year. I would nearly all the players to play all events (unless they dont qualify for some reason).

that's a good point. In past years some of the best players could afford to miss tournaments but not anymore. It's imperative that the top LPGA players, especially the top draws play more. The US players shouldn't miss those played in the states. Knowing that all the best players will be there for the sponsers should be a strong bargining point in negotiations.

07-19-2009, 04:41 PM	#51
gxer Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 4,050	Originally Posted by Buzzer I agree with you on the gender thing, Gxer....but somewhere along the line it was suggested that a man should be hired. I don't think that is a necessity. I also agre with you that it is a business problem. Where I didn't (and don't) agree with you is that it is ALL about the money. I do firmly believe that relationships must be re-established and then good business will follow culminating in better money....at least down the road. Viva Annika I know you don't agree about the money but the battle over money is what has caused the problems the LPGA tour faces now, losing events. To put it simply, CB wanted more money, a lot more money, than events were willing to pay. What would have happened if the events in question had agreed to CB's demands? __________________ *My "dream" girl: LPGA seasonal tour stats <=65.50 & >=270*

07-19-2009, 06:02 PM	#52
xman5 Contest Statistician Join Date: May 2006 Location: NYC Posts: 3,903	Originally Posted by gxer To put it simply, CB wanted more money, a lot more money, than events were willing to pay. A lot more money then they were capable of paying. The choice was then die or pay. Since they are not able to pay they die. CB's position was then if you can't pay die, but she was not able to replace them and what she brought in all died. It's that simple.

07-19-2009, 06:41 PM	#53
gxer Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 4,050	Buzzer, You need to have a talk with the folks at The Jamie Farr Owens Corning Classic because it seems that they are NOT using your method, instead they are looking at, OMG, MONEY first. -------------------------------- But before Silverman starts dealing with new LPGA leadership, he plans on spending the next month budgeting what it would take to bring back the Farr. "Owens Corning and Kroger, we'll sit down with them and see what they want to do for 2010, as well as our other sponsors, and we'll determine what we think our sales will be, and then we'll be in a position to know what we can spend. That's the key." Silverman adds, "Certainly they're gonna look at the kind of attendance we had and the dollars we give to charity are very important to our sponsors, so - they're gonna look at how well was the event attended and what was the bottom line like, and then we'll move forward with the LPGA." What does Bivens' exit mean for Farr? __________________ *My "dream" girl: LPGA seasonal tour stats <=65.50 & >=270*

07-19-2009, 07:42 PM	#54
Buzzer Moderator Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Hilton Head, SC Posts: 2,831 Images: 13	They have to talk that way now that CB has destroyed the relationship, and since there is no one actually in charge they have to maintain a tough front. Who can blame them? I don't believe any tournament director will sign a new contract until the new commish takes over. The TD's will want to talk and assess what kind of relationships they might have with the LPGA AND then talk money. Makes better business sense that way. Relationships relate to trust....trust relates to finances.... Viva Annika Last edited by Buzzer; 07-19-2009 at 07:44 PM.

07-19-2009, 07:50 PM	#55
MarinePaul Moderator Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Warren, Ohio Posts: 8,002	Originally Posted by Buzzer They have to talk that way now that CB has destroyed the relationship, and since there is no one actually in charge they have to maintain a tough front. Who can blame them? I don't believe any tournament director will sign a new contract until the new commish takes over. The TD's will want to talk and assess what kind of relationships they might have with the LPGA AND then talk money. Makes better business sense that way. Relationships relate to trust....trust relates to finances.... Viva Annika I agree, Buzzer. You have to have the trust that the new commissioner won't be a Bivens clone. The money will follow, but it all starts with having a positive experience while writing the check. I've bought my last three cars from the same dealership. The reason is, they've always treated me well. Their price may not have been less than other dealerships, but the service I get has always been very good. __________________ Happiness isn't getting what you want, it's wanting what you have.

07-19-2009, 08:18 PM	#56
cleo Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: PA Posts: 1,494	Originally Posted by gxer Buzzer, You need to have a talk with the folks at The Jamie Farr Owens Corning Classic because it seems that they are NOT using your method, instead they are looking at, OMG, MONEY first. -------------------------------- What does Bivens' exit mean for Farr? you forgot what was mentioned earlier in the article: "Our balancing act is, we want to have a purse high enough to attract the top players, but we also want to have a bottom line so that we can support the charities each year," said Silverman. that's called compromise. They're not talking about scattering some crumbs for the tour, in a take it or leave it proposal. It's the middle ground, also known as "win, win". __________________ "There's no use arguing with a fool. He only rages and scoffs, and tempers flare."

07-19-2009, 09:04 PM	#57
gxer Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 4,050	Originally Posted by cleo you forgot what was mentioned earlier in the article: "Our balancing act is, we want to have a purse high enough to attract the top players, but we also want to have a bottom line so that we can support the charities each year," said Silverman. that's called compromise. They're not talking about scattering some crumbs for the tour, in a take it or leave it proposal. It's the middle ground, also known as "win, win". The balancing act is about money. __________________ *My "dream" girl: LPGA seasonal tour stats <=65.50 & >=270*

07-19-2009, 10:35 PM	#58
ctmurray Donating Member Contests: Joint 3rd place overall winner 2010. Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Minnesota Posts: 1,176	Originally Posted by cleo you forgot what was mentioned earlier in the article: "Our balancing act is, we want to have a purse high enough to attract the top players, but we also want to have a bottom line so that we can support the charities each year," said Silverman. that's called compromise. They're not talking about scattering some crumbs for the tour, in a take it or leave it proposal. It's the middle ground, also known as "win, win". Hasn't the schedule been shortened enough in the future that top players can get plenty of rest while still playing all the events? I know Lorena has been taking quite a bit of time off, presumably to focus on majors, but this is not really working for her this year. I would nearly all the players to play all events (unless they dont qualify for some reason).

07-20-2009, 07:58 AM	#59
cleo Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: PA Posts: 1,494	Originally Posted by ctmurray Hasn't the schedule been shortened enough in the future that top players can get plenty of rest while still playing all the events? I know Lorena has been taking quite a bit of time off, presumably to focus on majors, but this is not really working for her this year. I would nearly all the players to play all events (unless they dont qualify for some reason). that's a good point. In past years some of the best players could afford to miss tournaments but not anymore. It's imperative that the top LPGA players, especially the top draws play more. The US players shouldn't miss those played in the states. Knowing that all the best players will be there for the sponsers should be a strong bargining point in negotiations. __________________ "There's no use arguing with a fool. He only rages and scoffs, and tempers flare."

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