Bivens Article

[wiefan]

Originally Posted by Blue

I am at your command, Wiefan.

Hi ya Blue...ok...since you are at my command....I command you to NOT EVER NEVER speak negatively about Wiesy, her Team, or any fiasco that involves Wiesy golf....I command you to only write POSITIVE stuff about the kid

so she bogey's four of the last five hole to miss the Qualifying...I command you to not talk about the Blundering four Bogeys....I command you to talk about that Par that she got in-between

ahhh heck with these commands, you aren't going to follow them anyway....

ok Blue...one last command...I command you to take your family to a nice dinner and enjoy yourself.....have a good day...see ya!!

[MarinePaul]

Originally Posted by wiefan

Hi ya Marinepaul....here is what makes me MORE right than either you or Buzzer....just the point that the player's themselves have not formed a Massive "Get Carolyn OUT" Rally....after all, they have more at stake in this than any of us...or wouldn't you agree....if everything you despise about Carolyn was true...why haven't the Players themselves jumped on your band wagon....do you think there is a possibility that they might know something that you don't....if you think you are absolutely 100% positive that you are correct, then why haven't the players acted or said anything in your behalf....why haven't the players "LYNCHED" carolyn....answer this if you can...if you say that they will, well all I have to say is that they haven't yet...I wonder why this is

anyway...have a good day...see ya!!

How do you know what the players think? Are you that much an insider? As Buzzer said, she was selected by the Board of Directors, not the players.

[heddwyn]

WF, how do you know they have had a 'Get Rid Of' rally or whatever? As has been said I'm sure those who think there should be change will have been told they can't afford the pay out.

Why would renewing the contract make us wrong? Perhaps there's a clause in the current contract giving one automatic renewal, we'll never know, but how many more 'blunders' can she make and still be at the top of the pole.

[Blue]

Originally Posted by wiefan

Hi ya Blue...ok...since you are at my command....I command you to NOT EVER NEVER speak negatively about Wiesy, her Team, or any fiasco that involves Wiesy golf....I command you to only write POSITIVE stuff about the kid

so she bogey's four of the last five hole to miss the Qualifying...I command you to not talk about the Blundering four Bogeys....I command you to talk about that Par that she got in-between

ahhh heck with these commands, you aren't going to follow them anyway....

ok Blue...one last command...I command you to take your family to a nice dinner and enjoy yourself.....have a good day...see ya!!

She got a par? Wow-Wie!

How's that?

I'll follow the dinner command as soon as I get the ark built. Forecast is for rain to continue until well into next week.

[wiefan]

Hi ya Marinepaul and Hedwynn....the fact of the matter is that since there is NO MAJOR REVOLT by the players.....I take it as a vote of non-action that as far as the players are concerned...Carolyn Keeps her job because she must be doing something GOOD that is NOT causing any player to start the revolution

look at the sports world...when a commissioner is doing their job....you don't see or hear players asking for the commissioner to step down...ok, I will correct myself....in other sports, even when the Commissioner is doing their job....you might see one or two players doing an interview say the Commissioner BLEW IT, but even these players don't ask for the commissioner to step down, because they also understand the good that this commissioner is doing overrides whatever small errors that they percieve....in the LPGA...where is the player's revolt against Carolyn....NO WHERE!!!...thus the same assumption can be made that she is DOING HER JOB

finally....I am NOT an insider....and I have never claimed to be...I just look at the situation and since I DO NOT see or hear Players passing out Petitions to OUST Carolyn....I view this as Carolyn is doing her job....if she wasn't...wouldn't you think there would be at least TALK of her ousting....so far...all of you anti-Carolyn posters are doing ALL of the talking...and for sure, you don't have as much at stake as the Players...and they ain't talking the same garbage as all of you are

answer one easy question....all of you Anti-Carolyn posters, you want Carolyn OUSTED....WHY haven't the player's themselves come out with your sentiments...are you posters saying that you are MORE INFORMED than these players and that you know more than them and that you are smarter than them and that YOU KNOW WHAT IS GOOD FOR THEM THAT THEY THEMSELVES DO NOT REALIZE....you anti-Carolyn Posters want Carolyn Ousted...the players themselves have not acknowledge your sentiments...so who knows more???

now about insider info...as far as I know, Rossi is the closest that I know of with this knowledge as she was the caddy of Michelle Ellis, the player's Representative....I know that Buzzer will come up with a "dinner friend of High Importance" BUT CANNOT reveal the name or how this person is connected...but an "IMPORTANT" "SOURCE" nonetheless....but as far as I am concerned....any inside source that I will trust will come from Rossi....everything and anyone else is just a "I cannot reveal the source questionability type"

anyway...the last time Rossi told us about Carolyn and the Language thing....all of you Anti-Carolyn posters jumped on her like crazy....it seems like all of you Anti-Carolyn posters don't believe that a NON-Revolution by the players means they are satisfied with Carolyn....you ask me if I have "Inside info" because of my stance about Carolyn, I tell you that I don't....but when a REAL inside info person comes and gives you a little about the goings on....you pounce on her like she is Fresh Meat

heck folks...anyone can claim "I have Insider infomation about any subject and my source is HIGHLY INSIDE"...but sorry I cannot reveal the source...take my word for it and take his also....folks, my friend Buzzer has Not come out with this info stuff....I am just jumping the gun...sorry Buzzer...my bad!!

sorry folks, if I am going to trust any "Inside info" about the LPGA...I will trust Rossi BEFORE I trust any of you Anti-Carolyn posters

now if Rossi says that the players are starting a Revolution to ouster Carolyn...then I will believe her and I will say to all of you Anti-Carolyn posters...."You are correct, I was incorrect".....BUT...can any of you Anti-Carolyn Posters say the same thing if YOU ARE INCORRECT...I DOUBT IT....all of you have too much PAST anger toward this lady....nothing she does will ever surplant the Venom that you feel for this lady

heck....here is a great example....you Anti-Carolyn poster GO ON AND ON AND ON about what you consider percieved Blunders that Carolyn made...you preach it every chance you get and you preach it LOUD and LOUDER....but....when Carolyn does come up with something good...."peep"...example...the 10 year TV deal with the Golf Channel...a lot of people say it is a GREAT Move....but you hear the Anti-Carolyn Posters "peeping"...."it is ok...what took so long??" "ok...Not more of the same delayed Broadcasts" "ok, but Not the same boring commentators" "ok deal, BUT WHY NOT ABC, CBS, NBC"...Grumble, grumble grumble....negative negative negative...pessimistic pessimistic pessimistic....some of you just CANNOT come out and say "Great Job Carolyn"....no no no!!!

it seems like nothing Carolyn does will ever "satisfy" any of you Anti-Carolyn posters

for quite awhile on this site...there were hardly any Carolyn supporters...the anti-Carolyn side had every Tom Dick and Harry and they were all very very vocal and loud in their Protests of Carolyn....but recently, the quiet CAROLYN SUPPORTERS started to begin to speak out their opinions against the obvious loud anti-Carolyn sentiments....the more these people spoke out....the weaker this Anti-Carolyn movement got...or at least it got quieter somewhat

folks...remember when the Shoprite(?) thing happened with the Tournament Directors....a LOT of you blamed Carolyn for this negotiations that fell....you took the side of the Tournament Directors...well folks, we all know that Carolyn and her team sent them a lot of notices to answer and that these tournament Directors were just playing a STALL game to LOWBALL the LPGA....you folks blamed the wrong person then, but I didn't see any apology from you to Carolyn.....and folks, we can do this same thing with the SBS situation...a lot of you JUMPED at Carolyn for not giving the SBS a chance to match the offer....but when the actual facts came out about the SBS WERE given notices to respond and they DIDN'T....hmmm again...no apologies to Carolyn and her team for the SLAMS they were taking from you

ok folks....I am going to take off my Carolyn Hat and Biven's POM POM....I am going to Sam's Club and get myself an Ice Cream Soda....hmmm...I have been doing this a lot lately

anyway....have a good day folks...see ya!!

rossi...if you are reading this...tell me...is there a Player Revolution in the rumblings to ouster Carolyn...if there is....I will admit, I am wrong about Carolyn Bivens....see ya folks!!!

[heddwyn]

What's so good about a 10 year deal with TGC? A lot of people don't have that channel for starters, 10 years with few resources which the LPGA are paying for doesn't seem that big a bargain to me.

I'm not about to apologise either, the players have lost a lot more since Bivens has been Commissioner than they have gained. There may be fault on both sides, but given the sponsors who are the ones putting their hands in their pockets they are the ones who say whether the additional $$ Bivens is holding out for are worth it to them. So who is really at fault? The sponsors who were prepared to continue to put money up front, albeit at a price which suited them but no less than it had been, or Bivens who wanted way more money, and put restrictions on this, that and the other with regard to the tournaments?

Btw, WF, last year Bivens was saying there were companies lining up to take over some of the tournaments. Want to explain why they haven't and where they are now?

Of course Rossi has seen a different side of things and was going to support her then employer, and I'm sure Michelle Ellis is doing her level best to help make things happen, but realistically how many of these players have any experience in the corporate world. How many of them have actually worked for a living in a 9-5 world for any length of time? Precious few, I imagine. All very well wanting to 'grow the business' (and what a darned awful expression that is!) and sell the 'product', but what has happened under Bivens 'guidance' is that 'trade' has been restricted or just plain stopped. I strongly suspect the players have been told NOT to speak out. If you remember Annika and Juli both referred to what was happening, even though later on they couched their comments in less blunt terms. Most seem to say they just play, it's not up to them to do the planning or whatever.

WF, I just don't know why you think the sun shines out of Bivens ***, and I don't know why you can't see what has been happening!

Btw, does she have a team? I thought she was omnipotent having got rid of most of the staff who actually had a clue.

[wiefan]

Hi ya Hedwynn...ok...I will keep this short and simple...I am glad that you have "softened your stance" and now NOT BLAME Carolyn 100% ENTIRELY since you said "There may be fault on both sides"....hooray for you!!

as far as explaining about future companies...I will let today's economy do that for me....or perhaps maybe you think the economy has Nothing to do with it

about the "Sun Shining out of Carolyn's @$$"....personally I wouldn't know anything about that....this is a private matter for Mr. and Mrs. Bivens...don't ya think....ahhh rascal Mr. Bivens

finally about Carolyn's team....go to the LPGA.com...every so often Carolyn announces another member of her team...she is Not doing this "solo" like you sarcastically implied

now about her lost members of her team....Hedwynn....picture yourself as the New Commissioner with your game plan ready to be implemented....you look at your staff ...which is the same staff as your predecessor....you find that some of this "staff" is NOT ON THE Same page as you...SO WHADDA YA DO Hedwynn....do you keep these people on your staff...knowing that these people are NOT in TUNE with your game plan and agenda.....OR....do you clean house and pick and choose people that support what you are trying to do and are in tune with what you wish to accomplish.....this is a very SIMPLE common sense Business move....Coaches of any sport organization do this EVERY TIME....you get a NEW coach, he brings in people that are in TUNE to his game plan...if any of the old staff gives "Static" to your game plan....YOU DO NOT NEED THIS ON YOUR TEAM....or perhaps, you think I am incorrect in this logic....hedwynn, you are the New Commissioner...would you keep me on your team, Knowing that I am Not in tune with your game plan....or would you do as Carolyn did....Clean House and get people that will work FOR you and NOT against you

anyway....hedwynn....have a good day Down Under...see ya!!

last thing...you said you "SUSPECT" that the players were told NOT to say anything.....hmmmm...any FACTS to back that up???...and are you implying that these ladies of the LPGA are sort of "Spineless" and afraid to speak out if there is an INJUSTICE....hmmm...independent contractors being afraid to speak their mind if something is NOT right....you mean to tell me that they would take away some playing priviliges away and/or penalize Annika and Juli if they spoke out....are you implying that Annika and/or Juli have no backbone to stand up to what they think is correct....I think both Annika and Juli would Never FOLD to any threat made by anyone....both have already paid their dues, they have absolutely NOTHING to fear....perhaps they both never talked about Carolyn Should get fired because this is what they believed....Carolyn is doing her JOB...sufficiently enough that it doesn't warrent either Annika or Juli to even suggest that she be ousted

anyway...have a good evening...see ya!!

[heddwyn]

Given that I'm a newcomer, who actually knows precious little about golf, I would be tapping into knowledge the existing staff have. I would be observing and learning, I would also be trying to get those staff onside with what I am trying to do, before I began pushing them out of the door. Most new managers seem to bring 'Yes' men with them which may boost their ego, but may not actually be the correct choice. Unfortunately, most new managers are hell bent on making their mark, and regrettably tend to trample over people with good ideas and experience. They often try to introduce things which current staff have tried before and know is unlikely to succeed. I happen to think the current thinking the you don't have to know anything about what the company does to be a manager, you just need to know how to manage people is a crock. I've seen too many middle managers who implement things without talking to people at the coal face or know the effect their decision will actually have on the business.

It would seem Bivens has got rid of people from the LPGA who might actually have been able to assist her. You said every so often she announces another member of her team, um, should she be chopping and changing all the time? I agree most often these are normal business decisions, but sometimes they are not good business decisions and I think with regard to the LPGA that is the case.

Didn't she set up some 'think tank' or other? Exactly how many of that 'team' had anything to do with golf? From memory, very few. Her marketing skills, which were highly touted, seem questionable, playing hardball in industry isn't the same thing as trying to promote a women's sport which is spread over several hours of one day and continues for three to four days.

I'm not softening my stance as to her suitability for the job, she may be doing her job, but she isn't making a very good fist of it, IMO. Just doing her job, or doing her job well, two different things. If you haven't noticed, WF, it takes quite a bit to push a CEO out of their chair!

[MarinePaul]

Wiefan, you can back Bivens until hell freezes over, but you'll never convince me that she's done anything to make the LPGA stronger that it was when she took over. You can point to the economy in general as part of the reason some tournaments have fallen by the wayside. At the same time, we can point put that long- time sponsors were screwed by her for the likes of Bobby Ginn. We all know how that worked out.

[Golferblogger]

Here is the wisdom of esteemed sports writer Michael Bamberger of Sports Illustrated. Sometimes I just can't believe that someone who is supposed to be intelligent and informed actually wrote something like this.

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