Brittany Lincicome

[wiefan]

Hi ya marinepaul....here is something to chew on.....what is natural to you vs something that can be learned.....look at Paula and Morgan.....they are "not naturally" long but have learned so much of a short game that they are efficient to be very competitive....and BOTH of them talk a great deal about wanting to get longer off the tee.....MW and Brittany are both long off the tee and MW practices a great deal on her short game and I don't know about Brittany's work ethic....but if you look at things...I would imagine that MW and Brittany have a huge advantage in that the stuff they want to learn on the short game is Learnable....but sometimes trying to be longer is kinda harder to do....I mean they can maybe gain 10 or 20 yards with techniques and different equipment....but the long hitters will only get LONGER with that same kind of Techniques and equipment....so the differences will still be unequal....where as the short game, with enough practice and gaining confidence....could put a MW or Brittany in a more improvement type of scenerio....what Paula and Morgan have on their side is a lot of "moxey"...especially Paula....Morgan will get down on herself, But Paula is a very very "Positive thinker"....

when I look at MW....I see a lot of technique and finess with desire....when I look at Brittany, I see so much powerful raw talent that is yet to be untapped....when I look at Paula, I see a very positive outlook player....when I see Morgan, I see a talented kid that is making the most out of her god given talent....with Paula and especially Morgan, if they are not putting extremely well....they really struggle....not so much Paula, because she is decent enough with length and her short game is awesome....but Morgan really needs her Irons and putting in sync to really do some noisemaking

so I guess what I am saying is this...MW and Paula are pretty much on one level and Morgan and Brittany are on one slightly lower.....if Morgan had Brittany's length or Brittany had Morgan's short game.....they would both be on the same level as Paula and MW or even surpass both of them

all of this is just my opinion about these 4 girls....personally, I would rank Wiesy as a little above the others because Wiesy has the length and her short game is pretty darn good....I would rank Paula as just very very slightly below Wiesy, because her length is decent enough but Paula's short game is very very deadly...especially her putter....both of them are very very good consistent scorers....Brittany and Morgan are pretty much "Hot and cold" players...when they are hot...they are smoking....but when they are cold, they pretty much take themselves out of contention......just my opinion....have a good day...see ya!!

[Blue]

"Lincicome looks for short but lucrative career"


By Jerry Potter, USA TODAY
If all goes well in her career, Brittany Lincicome won't be playing the LPGA tour 15 years from now. If all goes well in her hobby, she might be playing in the World Series of Poker.
"I'm going to retire at 35," says Lincicome, 20. "I want to fish all day or gamble all day. My goal is to make enough money to retire at 35."

Lincicome took her first real step toward that goal July 9 when her victory in the HSBC Women's World Match Play Championship, her first LPGA win, paid $500,000. It was the biggest payday of her career and boosted her up the money list and ahead of many of her young rivals.

Long-hitting Lincicome, who averages 280.3 yards off the tee, second on the tour, is one of the popular young players competing in the Weetabix Women's British Open, which begins Thursday at Royal Lytham & St. Annes in Lancashire, England. It's the final LPGA major of the season.

The first three ended in playoffs, and veteran stars Karrie Webb (Kraft Nabisco Championship), Se Ri Pak (McDonald's LPGA Championship) and Annika Sorenstam (U.S. Women's Open) ended up on top. Webb and Sorenstam are in the Hall of Fame, and Pak will be inducted next year when she completes 10 years on tour.

Despite those wins by veterans, the spotlight has been focused to a large extent on a group of young stars: Paula Creamer and Natalie Gulbis, rookies Morgan Pressel and Ai Miyazato and 16-year-old Michelle Wie.

Lincicome was a dominant player in the American Junior Golf Association, where she entered 100 amateur events and won approximately 60 of them, and her victory in the match-play event re-established her credentials among the young stars.

"This is the same as junior golf, except it's a lot better," she says. "In junior golf, you didn't have to shoot 62, 63, 64. Now we have to go low all the time."

Lincicome's lowest score this year is a second-round 65 on the way to a third-place finish in the Takefuji Classic, one of four top-10s on the season. Her stroke average wasn't a factor in the match-play event, but she won six matches, beating Wie in the quarterfinals, Lorena Ochoa (second on the money list) in the semifinals and Hall of Famer Juli Inkster in the final.

"It's huge," she said of the victory. "Beating all those players means I actually did deserve to win."

Although she played on the boys team in high school in Florida, she has strong opinions about women playing golf against the men. She disagrees with Wie's tactic of developing skills while playing PGA Tour events.

"If you can't beat Annika (Sorenstam)," she says, "there's no reason to go to the men's tour."

Sorenstam failed to make the cut in the Colonial in 2003 and then said she wouldn't play another PGA Tour event.

At 16, Wie is too young to join the LPGA, so she's limited to six exemptions, plus the U.S. and British women's opens. She continues to accept exemptions to select PGA Tour events.

"We wish she'd play our tour," Lincicome says. "The guys don't need her help."

Lincicome doesn't mind challenging the guys when it comes to cards, especially Texas Hold'em poker.

"I'm getting' good," she says. "I take only $100 with me. When it's gone, I'm done."

link to full article: http://www.usatoday.com/sports/golf/...e_x.htm?csp=34

[MarinePaul]

Nice article, Blue. To win the World Series of poker, she'll have to compete against Wiefan and me, so she probably doesn't have a real shot at it. But, she's young and ambitious, so let her have her dreams.

Wiefan, I have to disagree a tad with your assessment on the four youngsters. Realistically, how can you rate Paula as "slightly lower," given her four wins last year? That's four, as opposed to how many? Just a minor point, perhaps, but Brittany also has a win this year. Match play or not, it's a win. I understand that you're expressing your opinion, as am I. But, isn't the point of any sport to win?

[wiefan]

Hi ya marinepaul....if I was playing Texas Holedem on the same table as Brittany and I had the "Nutz hand".....I wouldn't try to take ALL of her chips....I would leave her some to try and make a comeback....ahhh what a nice person I am

about my analysis of the 4 young kids....I am not as obsessed about winning as much as I am about Game development....especially considering that these kids are young yet....they have Years and years of tournament play ahead of them....for me a good indicator of how well their development is coming along is to look at how many times they are at the top and how consistently they are at the top.....Wiesy is very very good at this stat.....Paula is also good at this stat....maybe not as consistently high as Wiesy but Paula is always seemingly in the top 10....Morgan and Brittany have their Highs and Lows....this is the consistency part that I am talking about....for both of them, last weeks tournament is not a good indicator as both have only made their first trip to Evian....however, it seems that Morgan has adjusted to it better than Brittany has....I think Morgan is a little more consistent than Brittany....Brittany has to Bomb it to play good....Morgan has her "other" parts of the game to help her

in compairing Paula and Wiesy....Wiesy is playing the best golf since she has come on this LPGA parttime circuit.....you can look at wins if you wish....Paula has this over MW....but....I look at how many times a player is in contention to win.....Michelle has done this all year long....this year, Wiesy is not getting into the top 10 listing just by having to play a super 4th round....Wiesy has been in the hunt to win the event.....she hasn't done this yet....but if you give yourself a chance every single week...eventually it will happen....and this means you are playing excellent golf

if you should ever read any player's interviews....Annika, Paula, Karrie, Lorena, Seri, etc....they will all say the same thing basically....they ALL value consistency and they ALL strive for this....as of right now....the most consistent players are Karrie, Lorena and Wiesy.....I would have put Annika into this mix, but she has made things harder for herself because she was "out of this world consistent" in the past....a little less is comparable with these other ladies but NOT by Annika standards

anyway...you count Wins as your primary indicator...I will count Consistency....your player is young at 18.....mine is ONLY 16....just a toddler, but consistent as heck!!!

anyway....have a great day....see ya!!

[blondog]

Frankly I'm finding this site wastes too much of my time, and I have better things (for myself )to do. You people spend as much or as little time here as you like and I will support you, but I have to look out for myself.

But, since the posts were about Brittany Lincicome I may be able to contribute something.

1) Regarding Britt's recent play, yes it has been odd in a way and that has been the case since she became a pro. Maybe I'll e-mail her about what Gxer noticed in his stupid inane post regarding her having only 2 birdies at the Evian. (I have found out though that her father handles her e-mails and he only answers when he feels like it) I noticed this too, but I also saw in a recent event she had a string of about 27 straight holes without a bogey or double bogey; just as odd a situation, perhaps, for her.

Britt seems to have had difficulty playing short very hilly courses. Last year (her fisrt) she played terribly in one of the (hilly) events in Mexico (Guadalahara??) and said she would never go back to play that course again, but this year I saw she did and played OK if I recall.

At any rate, Evian produced wierd results but I am sure she did not "tank", whatever that meant, as gxer put it, (And to compare her to John Daly is an insult to Brittany) Also, the "St. Pete Times" golf columist has a very close relationship with the Lincicomes and there was no report about her being sick or injured.

2) Generalizing about her short game (or anyone's) and making a big fuss about it based on one missed chip shot is just plain stupid. She does not need much more practice. She has had plenty of of that by now.

Critics forget that by the time an LPGA player is in her early 20's she has had about 8-10 years of playing competitive golf and and in between has been practicing, practicing, practicing.

3) Regarding comments Britt made about MW--they have no relationship to reality as Britt/Lincicomes went along their path while the Wies went along theirs, one no better than the other; just different; although I will say MW plays better than Britt, has had more recognition, has made more money and has better sponsorships.

Comments were also made out of carry-over predjudices from when they were juniors. Britt knew very little of MW, nor did other US based juniors, but they were all jelous of her years ago
because of MW's early recognition and and accomplishments. And she was an outsider who they knew little of. This goes for Pressel, Creamer, Granada, etc and parents I know of too who were protective of their darling daughters feelings.

4) The "learning to win things was brought up; pure BS. There is not such thing. There is IS learning muscle memory though, I believe. And also some alusive mental/emotional capacithy to be able to manage ones self in crutial situations which I allude to as "closing" on your goal.

The muscle memory thing can be elusive too and players have streaks and declines.

5) Again Marine, I'll bring it up here again about the need to win. Over a career of, say 20 years, I WOULD BE HAPPY TO NEVER WIN--BUT COME IN 2ND IN EVERY EVENT. In that case I would have about a record of about 500 2nd places and 0 wins which would garner me about every accolade and money title every year. To hell with winning! AgainI'll take Natalie Gulbis RIGHT NOW over Hillary Lunke or Birdie Kim or even bRITTANY lINCICOME.

6) One of the writers again came up with the stupid statement that over Britts's junior career she
had about 60 wins in abot 100 AJGA events. This would have been impossible as she would not have been able to to enter 100 AJGA events. In fact she had 6 wins over her entire AJGA career; Paula Creamer had 11 which may be the record.

I think that the 60 of 100 probably came from a (good) estimate from her father of ALL of her entries and wins during her junior years. These would have include many LOCAL and regional (non AJGA sanctioned) events which she did, in fact, dominate. But these were at much lower levels of competition. I don't know where high school tourneys fit in? In her last two years she won the girls Florida state (large schools) championship. This would have meant, if these were counted, wins in district, regional and state events two years in a row for a total of 6 wins??

7) That's about what I recall now that I wanted to down....regards

[Positivly 7th Street]

Pressel has 11 AJGA titles as well, plus the career slam.

Disagree strongly with point #4

[bwlee]

Originally Posted by Positivly 7th Street

Pressel has 11 AJGA titles as well, plus the career slam.

Disagree strongly with point #4

So how long are you willing to give her until she wins her first professional title since she's obviously got the learning to win thing down pat?

[blondog]

Forgot a couple of things:

1) Britts imporvement LATELY seems to be a result of her hitting straight drives in or near the fairways. This has been written about and Britt mentioned this in interviews.

WieFan also alluded to (in the past) Britt's constant strongly drawing the ball off the tee which was a problem in that she had about half a fairway to hit and the tee shots would be coming from right-to-left when they first hit the fairway (it was a small problem hitting long shots to greens too.} She had to hit it over trees, if they were there on the right, in order to land in the fairway.

If Britt has truly straightened out her tee shots, then she should be a world-class player because she has enough of the rest of her game to suffice.

2) Britt is an emotional player, it seems to me after following her for 4 years. s She shows her emotions on the course and has said she worries and frets a lot. She likes to talk to other players and anyone else available while playing so she can get away from fretting about what is happening. She also has a temper and does not get steadied easily after a miscue. So far, in 1 1/2 years on the LPGA I judge her to be unpredictible but think she has so much raw athletic talent that this will carry her to major status in the coming years regardless of what is going on in her head--as long as she can hit her drives in or near the fairways.

3) The article about her retiring early to fish and play poker. Don't count on it. Nice article to write about though. She was home school for 6 years primarily so she could play and practice golf. I don't know of any other young golfer who had that experience.

When I was following her as a junior there was talk about her getting many scholarships to college and her liking animals and having an interest in being a veteranian (nice thing for a young girl). I don't think there was any effort actually made toward attending college. Prior to gettting her LPGA card, she got her playing card for the Futures Tour in case she did not make the LPGA on her first try.

I never heard about an interst in fishing or Texas holdem poker. But, things and times change.
I would judge her future to be on a continum of her past, golf, golf, golf; then more golf; not such a bad existance though.

[Positivly 7th Street]

Originally Posted by bwlee

So how long are you willing to give her until she wins her first professional title since she's obviously got the learning to win thing down pat?

She could win this week, but thats not the point I was making. I'm arguing against the opinions that "learning how to win" is BS and doesn't mean anything.

[bwlee]

Originally Posted by Positivly 7th Street

She could win this week, but thats not the point I was making. I'm arguing against the opinions that "learning how to win" is BS and doesn't mean anything.

Of course she could win this week - so could anyone else who hasn't "learned how to win". If you are arguing that the "learning to win" thing isn't BS then you must by extension have a higher expectation of a win from someone who has "learned to win". Pressel has played roughly 40% more events than Michelle. When are you going to get on her case to win an event?