Rule Hypothetical for Lojo/Staff

[wiefan]

Hi ya Lojo and her faithful staff....lemme give a hypothetical....as I was Watching Anna putt Right "after" the Horn sounded for stoppage of play...I wondered this

suppose the horn sounded a second BEFORE her putter contacted the ball....what would be the rule on this...if she missed, does she get another try the next day....or since she was in the act of swinging, does the "result stand" as she did make the putt....or if she had missed, can she claim that the Horn Startled her and that caused the miss

just curious as to what is the rule here

this question is open to Lojo and anyone on her faithful Rules Fanatics Staff

have a good day...see ya

here is what I think....as soon as the horn sounds...ALL PLAY is negated...clean cut and dry...just my guess....see ya!!

[xman5]

Originally Posted by wiefan

Hi ya Lojo and her faithful staff....lemme give a hypothetical....as I was Watching Anna putt Right "after" the Horn sounded for stoppage of play...I wondered this

suppose the horn sounded a second BEFORE her putter contacted the ball....what would be the rule on this...if she missed, does she get another try the next day....or since she was in the act of swinging, does the "result stand" as she did make the putt....or if she had missed, can she claim that the Horn Startled her and that caused the miss

just curious as to what is the rule here

this question is open to Lojo and anyone on her faithful Rules Fanatics Staff

have a good day...see ya

here is what I think....as soon as the horn sounds...ALL PLAY is negated...clean cut and dry...just my guess....see ya!!

If play is suspended for a non dangerous reason the player may finish the hole (ie water on other part of course or darkness).

If play is suspended for a dangerous situation ie lightning further play is immediately suspended.

Different horn sounds.

If she was in the actual act of putting as the horn sounded and she followed thru then she is ok. If she had not already started her stroke, and then procedes to putt then she has a problem.

What they try to do is time the horn so that no one is actually in a shot.

[wiefan]

Originally Posted by xman5

If play is suspended for a non dangerous reason the player may finish the hole (ie water on other part of course or darkness).

If play is suspended for a dangerous situation ie lightning further play is immediately suspended.

Different horn sounds.

If she was in the actual act of putting as the horn sounded and she followed thru then she is ok. If she had not already started her stroke, and then procedes to putt then she has a problem.

What they try to do is time the horn so that no one is actually in a shot.

Hi ya xman...the blue part sure brings into play "subjective aspects" and Matter of interpretations to be discussed and analyze...hmmm

the red part sounds fishy...with players all over the course this is difficult to do...unless they have 18 HornBlowers...and if they had 18, to TIME all 18 at the same time would be NEAT to see

now what would happen if there are TWO HornBlowers and both are NOT timed exactly....one putt could be deemed OK, while at the same time, it could be that it wasn't ok...ignore the first horn, obey the closer Horn???

anyway....I wonder if there is a WRITTEN Rule on this...probably so...HELP LOJO!!!....just kidding....Lojo has been resting peacefully for some time, I just thought it would be nice to Wake her up from her nap....ahhhh SNAPPY.....just kidding Lojo

anyway...have a good day folks...see ya!!

[Buzzer]

Anna was finished with her stroke and the ball fell in the hole as the horn sounded....they showed a repeat, twice, explaining the situation as it happened.
Next they showed Wiesy....the horn sounded and she looked around as if to say, "Oh No".....then they showed her marking her ball.

I checked this on my TiVo....and that's the way it was. Actually, the way it was, was a mess. Let's hope this weekend is dry for the girls.

Maybe they should blow the horn a little sooner and let the players finish the hole....or at least putt out if they are on the green. I can't imagine a tougher scenario than having a long putt and the horn blowing.....then going in for some time, maybe hours, and then coming out to start with a 20,30,40 foot putt on a green completely changed by rain / possibly stronger wind.

Go Anna....Go Wiesy

Viva Annika

[xman5]

Originally Posted by wiefan

Hi ya xman...the blue part sure brings into play "subjective aspects" and Matter of interpretations to be discussed and analyze...hmmm

the red part sounds fishy...with players all over the course this is difficult to do...unless they have 18 HornBlowers...and if they had 18, to TIME all 18 at the same time would be NEAT to see

now what would happen if there are TWO HornBlowers and both are NOT timed exactly....one putt could be deemed OK, while at the same time, it could be that it wasn't ok...ignore the first horn, obey the closer Horn???

anyway....I wonder if there is a WRITTEN Rule on this...probably so...HELP LOJO!!!....just kidding....Lojo has been resting peacefully for some time, I just thought it would be nice to Wake her up from her nap....ahhhh SNAPPY.....just kidding Lojo

anyway...have a good day folks...see ya!!

The lpga may not have the resources but i think the pga will have people on the course advising groups that may be about to play that the horn will be sounding. May be not as a regular thing but when I was at the PGA championship a few years ago and was sitting watching play at a green, they notified the people at the green that play was most likely going to be stoped for lightning shortly. We were at the farthest out point on the course. That just may have been an unusual situation. However the lightning never came and they resumed play 30 mins later.

They always show the shot on tv with the person with the horn waiting to blow it. I assume that they are trying for the best moment.

[xman5]

Originally Posted by wiefan

now what would happen if there are TWO HornBlowers and both are NOT timed exactly....one putt could be deemed OK, while at the same time, it could be that it wasn't ok...ignore the first horn, obey the closer Horn???

I think that it is always just one.

[wiefan]

Hi ya Buzzer....yes sireeee...Anna had the perfect timing....by the way, EXCELLENT suggestion about blowing the horn a little earlier so that the players on the green can finish up

just a sidenote...your Bottom signature shows that "wiemania" is slowly creeping and infiltrating and Brainwashing into you....come on Buzzer....bite down hard on the Leather....just let WieNation into your heart and soul....don't fight it, EMBRACE IT....just kidding Buzzer....have a good day at Hilton Head...see ya

Hi ya xman...now if there is only ONE hornblower...I will bet it is "ONE LOUD SUCKER"....I pity the poor player that is close by...hmmm...on second thought, perhaps the HornBlower should sneak up behind Wiesy and then Blow it....sometimes the kid NEEDS a little Waking up....hmmmm just kidding Fans of Wiesy....or am I ???

anyway...have a good day folks...see ya!!

I just thought of something...Buzzer, you are a super good Buddy of Lojo...why don't you travel to her place of residence and Place the HORN BLOWER right against her House door...she won't KILL ya...if I did that, she would beat the living daylights outta me....just kidding Lojo....outta here...see ya!!

[cougar]

Wiefan, the LPGA uses several hornblowers at strategic points on the golf course. The lead official counts down on the radio and they all blow the horn at the same time. Although they try to be careful, they sometimes blow the horn at the wrong moment. I once saw a player who was in the middle of her backswing when the horn blew and she chunked her shot into the bunker on a par 3 hole. Too bad!

When I was working out on the 17th green last Saturday, someone came out to tell us that stoppage was imminent. The horn sounded shortly thereafter. I don't know if the message is passed on to players. Sometimes the players can see the officials who are ready to blow the horn.

[wiefan]

Hi ya cougar...so tell me...when the player clunked her shot...was she able to replay it since her ball DIDN'T come in contact with the club "BEFORE" the horn sounded...I would imagine that if a player was into the swing and the horn sounds...all of this ball contact club action takes place DURING and/or a MICRO second after the horn sounds..thus making that swing NOT theoretically valid

hmmm....I wish Lojo was here to answer this with "Rule Verses" and Logic....perhaps Lojo is Teaching a seminar to Robert O Smith about using a string to measure if a drop is closer to the hole or not....ahhh the string conspiracy...for those of you that forgot...lemme refresh your memory....at Wiesy's 1st event as a Pro at Samsung...Wiesy took a drop...her caddy and Wiesy thought it was OK...her playing partner didn't object...a Sports Illustrated Writer (Baumberger) questioned it but Cowardly didn't approach anyone until AFTER Wiesy signed her scorecard...anyway...Rules official Robert O Smith went out to look and "HE COULDN'T determine if it was indeed closer visually...so he took out a ball of string to measure....my gripe is that if a Player cannot use a string as a Measuring device...then neither should a Rules official to determine guilt or innocence....Wiesy and her caddy used a "Visual Guidance"...and thus so should a rules official...and Robert O Smith did state that visually he couldn't tell if it was closer or not

I know that some of you will ask me...at least the ruling was correct...I agree with this...but let me give this example...a person drops a ball in the fairway...who is to say it is not closer to the hole from that far of a distance to the flag...can anyone really Visualize an Isoceles Triangle from that far away....suppose after a person finishes the hole and signs her card a Rules Official comes with a LASAR Reader and infact that player was a few inches CLOSER to the hole in her drop...is this a Legitimate DQ....the player didn't have the benefit of using a Lasar to determine her drop...then Neither should a Rules official....now some of you might think I am full of BS...but think about this...suppose the player had a "Blind second shot"...how is that determined...you cannot even see the 3rd point of the Isoceles triangle to determine closer to the flag or not

hmmmm....I will bet that all of you know that I still have gripes against Robert O Smith and his usage of the string...well I do....nuff said by me

anyway....have a good day folks...see ya...wowWIE...I sure got carried away...didn't I...my bad...see ya!!...I forgot what question I was asking Lojo

[ctmurray]

Originally Posted by wiefan

.Rules official Robert O Smith went out to look and "HE COULDN'T determine if it was indeed closer visually...so he took out a ball of string to measure....my gripe is that if a Player cannot use a string as a Measuring device...then neither should a Rules official to determine guilt or innocence....Wiesy and her caddy used a "Visual Guidance"...and thus so should a rules official...and Robert O Smith did state that visually he couldn't tell if it was closer or not

I know that some of you will ask me...at least the ruling was correct...I agree with this...but let me give this example...a person drops a ball in the fairway...who is to say it is not closer to the hole from that far of a distance to the flag...can anyone really Visualize an Isoceles Triangle from that far away....suppose after a person finishes the hole and signs her card a Rules Official comes with a LASAR Reader and infact that player was a few inches CLOSER to the hole in her drop...is this a Legitimate DQ....the player didn't have the benefit of using a Lasar to determine her drop...then Neither should a Rules official....now some of you might think I am full of BS...but think about this...suppose the player had a "Blind second shot"...how is that determined...you cannot even see the 3rd point of the Isoceles triangle to determine closer to the flag or not

hmmmm....I will bet that all of you know that I still have gripes against Robert O Smith and his usage of the string...well I do....nuff said by me

anyway....have a good day folks...see ya...wowWIE...I sure got carried away...didn't I...my bad...see ya!!...I forgot what question I was asking Lojo

I suspect this is why the pros are often looking for a rules official before taking a drop. They want confirmation of the correct location. I could not find anything that said it was okay for a pro to carry string in order to determine the distance from the hole, seems like it would not be allowed.

For the average player you can always consult with your opponent, they will probably not let you get closer than allowed. You can always go backward by the amount allowed by the rules and so your best estimate of the same distance + a backoff distance = security knowing you are not closer.