Phil & Pro/Am DQ

gxer · 08-31-2010, 09:44 AM

I know that most of the time when golfer complain about rules and regulations they are seen by most people as whiners but this time Phil's the man!

By speaking out against the PGA TOUR's Pro/Am DQ rule he may have actually caused what the PGA TOUR Commissioner, Tim Finchem, should have done a long time ago, change the Pro/Am DQ rule into something less than a DQ.

Tour suspends pro-am rule - Shag Bag Golf Blog | Golf Channel

heddwyn · 08-31-2010, 01:06 PM

Interesting move. Is this going to be for any player who actually arrives at the Pro Am even if incredibly late? I can see how the argument that it only affects part of the field, not all. I wonder if the LPGA will follow suit, wasn't there a player recently who was DQ'ed for being late for the pro am having gone to the wrong tee to start? Didn't she also play the round once she'd joined the group?

gxer · 08-31-2010, 01:09 PM

Originally Posted by heddwyn

Interesting move. Is this going to be for any player who actually arrives at the Pro Am even if incredibly late? I can see how the argument that it only affects part of the field, not all. I wonder if the LPGA will follow suit, wasn't there a player recently who was DQ'ed for being late for the pro am having gone to the wrong tee to start? Didn't she also play the round once she'd joined the group?

They, the PGA TOUR, will work out the details later and I don't know what the rule is on the LPGA tour, I am sure Lojo does.

gxer · 08-31-2010, 01:19 PM

Originally Posted by heddwyn

Interesting move. Is this going to be for any player who actually arrives at the Pro Am even if incredibly late? I can see how the argument that it only affects part of the field, not all. I wonder if the LPGA will follow suit, wasn't there a player recently who was DQ'ed for being late for the pro am having gone to the wrong tee to start? Didn't she also play the round once she'd joined the group?

Is this what you are talking about?
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LPGA disqualifies three for missing pro-am tee times
By Jay Busbee

When you miss your tee time at your local muni, what happens? You get a nasty look from the starter and you get shuffled back in the mix. But when you miss your tee time at a LPGA pro-am, what happens? Boom, you're disqualified from one of the season's most important tournaments.
Harsh, but that's the situation Helen Alfredsson, Shanshan Feng and Maria Hjorth found themselves in Wednesday afternoon.

The way this played out was a sad little comedy of errors, real-life common sense whacking up hard against those immutable Rules of Golf. Here's how it happened. First off, Patty Sheehan was supposed to play in the Kraft Nabisco's pro-am, but not at the Kraft Nabisco itself. She missed her tee time, later saying she wasn't even aware she was supposed to be playing.
Hjorth and Alfredsson were next up, but couldn't be found. Ergo, seeya.
Feng, for her part, was just flat-out late to her tee time. She caught up to her group and played, but found out when she got back to the clubhouse that she, too, could take the next plane out of Rancho Mirage.
Hjorth responded via Twitter: "When 3 people get DQ'd for the same thing, is that not wrong." Alfredsson was said to be visibly upset and in discussions with LPGA Commissioner Michael Whan, according to The Golf Channel.
Life on Tour gives us a bit more detail on the confusion in schedules. But then there's this infuriating tidbit: "Some may think this is too severe a penalty for missing a pro-am but there is a good reason for it of which I won’t get into." What? Why not? That's like ending a Scooby Doo cartoon without revealing who was under the mask!
Anyway, while there are obviously codes of conduct here, a DQ for this kind of communication breakdown is the kind of thing that drives you insane. It's a shame that three talented players have to miss the tournament -- the LPGA could use all the good press it can get -- but it's a good bet golfers will be triple-checking their schedules from here on ou

LPGA disqualifies three for missing pro-am tee times - Devil Ball Golf - Golf - Yahoo! Sports

heddwyn · 08-31-2010, 04:01 PM

Yes, gxer, it was that occasion, particularly the Feng issue that she was allowed to play but was still DQ'ed.

I agree with you about Larry's blog. As someone I know put it, if it he didn't write it in such a gossip column way he'd have far more credibility everywhere. Those kind of comments of his annoy me intensely.

I'm guessING if the PGA are suspending this rule then the LPGA will be visiting it too.

gxer · 08-31-2010, 04:31 PM

Originally Posted by heddwyn

Yes, gxer, it was that occasion, particularly the Feng issue that she was allowed to play but was still DQ'ed.

I agree with you about Larry's blog. As someone I know put it, if it he didn't write it in such a gossip column way he'd have far more credibility everywhere. Those kind of comments of his annoy me intensely.

I'm guessING if the PGA are suspending this rule then the LPGA will be visiting it too.

The comments about Larry's blog were not mine, they were the article's author, Jay Busbee.

08-31-2010, 09:44 AM	#1
gxer Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 4,049	Phil & Pro/Am DQ I know that most of the time when golfer complain about rules and regulations they are seen by most people as whiners but this time Phil's the man! By speaking out against the PGA TOUR's Pro/Am DQ rule he may have actually caused what the PGA TOUR Commissioner, Tim Finchem, should have done a long time ago, change the Pro/Am DQ rule into something less than a DQ. Tour suspends pro-am rule - Shag Bag Golf Blog \| Golf Channel __________________ *My "dream" girl: LPGA seasonal tour stats <=65.50 & >=270*

08-31-2010, 01:09 PM	#3
gxer Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 4,049	Originally Posted by heddwyn Interesting move. Is this going to be for any player who actually arrives at the Pro Am even if incredibly late? I can see how the argument that it only affects part of the field, not all. I wonder if the LPGA will follow suit, wasn't there a player recently who was DQ'ed for being late for the pro am having gone to the wrong tee to start? Didn't she also play the round once she'd joined the group? They, the PGA TOUR, will work out the details later and I don't know what the rule is on the LPGA tour, I am sure Lojo does. __________________ *My "dream" girl: LPGA seasonal tour stats <=65.50 & >=270*

08-31-2010, 01:19 PM	#4
gxer Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 4,049	Originally Posted by heddwyn Interesting move. Is this going to be for any player who actually arrives at the Pro Am even if incredibly late? I can see how the argument that it only affects part of the field, not all. I wonder if the LPGA will follow suit, wasn't there a player recently who was DQ'ed for being late for the pro am having gone to the wrong tee to start? Didn't she also play the round once she'd joined the group? Is this what you are talking about? ------------------------------------ LPGA disqualifies three for missing pro-am tee times By Jay Busbee When you miss your tee time at your local muni, what happens? You get a nasty look from the starter and you get shuffled back in the mix. But when you miss your tee time at a LPGA pro-am, what happens? Boom, you're disqualified from one of the season's most important tournaments. Harsh, but that's the situation Helen Alfredsson, Shanshan Feng and Maria Hjorth found themselves in Wednesday afternoon. The way this played out was a sad little comedy of errors, real-life common sense whacking up hard against those immutable Rules of Golf. Here's how it happened. First off, Patty Sheehan was supposed to play in the Kraft Nabisco's pro-am, but not at the Kraft Nabisco itself. She missed her tee time, later saying she wasn't even aware she was supposed to be playing. Hjorth and Alfredsson were next up, but couldn't be found. Ergo, seeya. Feng, for her part, was just flat-out late to her tee time. She caught up to her group and played, but found out when she got back to the clubhouse that she, too, could take the next plane out of Rancho Mirage. Hjorth responded via Twitter: "When 3 people get DQ'd for the same thing, is that not wrong." Alfredsson was said to be visibly upset and in discussions with LPGA Commissioner Michael Whan, according to The Golf Channel. Life on Tour gives us a bit more detail on the confusion in schedules. But then there's this infuriating tidbit: "Some may think this is too severe a penalty for missing a pro-am but there is a good reason for it of which I won’t get into." What? Why not? That's like ending a Scooby Doo cartoon without revealing who was under the mask! Anyway, while there are obviously codes of conduct here, a DQ for this kind of communication breakdown is the kind of thing that drives you insane. It's a shame that three talented players have to miss the tournament -- the LPGA could use all the good press it can get -- but it's a good bet golfers will be triple-checking their schedules from here on ou LPGA disqualifies three for missing pro-am tee times - Devil Ball Golf - Golf - Yahoo! Sports __________________ *My "dream" girl: LPGA seasonal tour stats <=65.50 & >=270*

08-31-2010, 04:31 PM	#6
gxer Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 4,049	Originally Posted by heddwyn Yes, gxer, it was that occasion, particularly the Feng issue that she was allowed to play but was still DQ'ed. I agree with you about Larry's blog. As someone I know put it, if it he didn't write it in such a gossip column way he'd have far more credibility everywhere. Those kind of comments of his annoy me intensely. I'm guessING if the PGA are suspending this rule then the LPGA will be visiting it too. The comments about Larry's blog were not mine, they were the article's author, Jay Busbee. __________________ *My "dream" girl: LPGA seasonal tour stats <=65.50 & >=270*

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08-31-2010, 01:06 PM	#2
heddwyn Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 1,380	Interesting move. Is this going to be for any player who actually arrives at the Pro Am even if incredibly late? I can see how the argument that it only affects part of the field, not all. I wonder if the LPGA will follow suit, wasn't there a player recently who was DQ'ed for being late for the pro am having gone to the wrong tee to start? Didn't she also play the round once she'd joined the group?

08-31-2010, 04:01 PM	#5
heddwyn Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 1,380	Yes, gxer, it was that occasion, particularly the Feng issue that she was allowed to play but was still DQ'ed. I agree with you about Larry's blog. As someone I know put it, if it he didn't write it in such a gossip column way he'd have far more credibility everywhere. Those kind of comments of his annoy me intensely. I'm guessING if the PGA are suspending this rule then the LPGA will be visiting it too.