OK...a NEW one...

wiefan · 04-30-2009, 02:17 PM

Hi ya Lojo and her dedicated staff of Rules Fanatics....here is a new one for you

Remember the Alamo...well forget about the Alamo....what about Wiesy's appearance in the John Deere when she withdrew from Heat exaustion

did anyone bother to see whether of NOT Wiesy signed the scorecards of her fellow players before being carted off in the stretcher....the link below tells of what happened to some Hawaii Golfers when a member of their group withdrew mid-way int othe round and "didn't" sign the other player's cards before leaving

now if it happened to them....hmmm....I wonder WHAT happened on the PGA Event....I don't recall EVER reading about Wiesy getting off her "death bed" and mercifully struggling to get to the scorers tent to make sure she signed her playing partner's cards so that they wouldn't get DQ for not having the appropriate signatures...since she was "throwing up all over the course" I am sure her fingers were too "Slippery" to even hold a Pencil.....hmmm....I just threw in this part to add to the "excitement and color" to this post....my bad....anyway....

here is the link to my stuff

Golf | The Honolulu Advertiser | Honolulu, Hawaii

so Lojo....my question is this....suppose a person is "immediately taken away with an ambulance and does NOT sign the cards of her playing partners....as the "Player Spotter and Verification of scores"....how does this work....hmmmm

interesting question huh folks...especially when you think about it....LPGA Players in Tournaments WD in the middle of rounds....suppose they WD and do not sign their Playing Partners card....I am sure this COULD Happen and probably did....is there a "special ammendment rule" to the existing rule that caused these three Hawaii Players to get DQ

just curious....hmmmm....the things I get into when I am waiting for the Kid to tee it up again....Kingsmill!!! here WIE come....go Wiesy go

have a good day folks....see ya!!

Buzzer · 04-30-2009, 02:41 PM

The fellow in Hawaii wasn't incapacitated due to illness.

If a player becomes ill and is taken from the course prior to completion of their round how can they verify the score of the player(s) whose card they were supposed to sign, since they didn't see the full round?

Simple logic should prevail, don't you think?

Viva Annika

LoJo · 04-30-2009, 03:13 PM

Well, that was an interesting one, wiefan. The article doesn't make exactly clear who signed whose card. I don't understand why the other two were DQ'ed, unless they used the 'wrong' (unauthorized) person as their marker. But...whatever.

Mr. Sawada should have gotten the guy who WD to sign before he left the course, and he should have notified someone on the Committee immediately that he needed another marker for the back nine (one of the others would likely have been authorized).

In the case of a marker urgently taken off a course w/ no opportunity to sign a scorecard, etc, that would be an exceptional circumstance and, in equity, the person whose card was being marked would likely be allowed to have his card verified by someone else. There is a Decision in the Rules which allows this in in the case of one's marker leaving the course with the competitor's scorecard. I'd think something along those lines might work.

Dec. 6-6b/6 Marker Disappears with Competitor’s Score Card

Q. In a stroke-play event, competitors were instructed to return their score cards at the scoreboard. Unbeknownst to a competitor, his marker leaves the course hastily at the end of the round and does not report to the scoreboard. He takes the competitor’s score card with him. What should the Committee do?

A. The Committee should make every effort to reach the marker. If unsuccessful, the Committee should accept certification of the score by someone else who witnessed the round, perhaps the marker’s caddie or the competitor’s caddie. If no one other than the marker witnessed the round, the score should be accepted without attestation by a marker

Yes, common sense should prevail, but sometimes the Rules defy common sense...haha.

wiefan · 04-30-2009, 04:31 PM

Hi ya folks....ahhhh I can just see my mid-term grades going ZOOMING UP....the teacher said the magic word..."INTERESTING"....good sign for my resume....ok back to the subject at hand

if I remember correctly....John Daly once walked of the course after he was angry at one of his holes....all they mentioned was John "Just walking Off"....now suppose he didn't sign the card of the player he was "Marking"....I guess that Lojo's rule that she shown was made for that type of occasion

I don't understand Buzzer's interpretations of "Illness"...illness was Wiesy's reason....but I would think that "injury" by a player withdrawling is the same scenerio....you could be ill and thus not sign a player's card and/or you could be injured and in pain to also NOT sign a player's card

anyway...I have read of NO MENTION that either John Daly and/or Wiesy ever signing their playing partners score card before leaving....thus my interest in what would happen if they didn't sign it

anyway....ahhhhh only in Hawaii HUH....hmmmm....and to think everyone ONLY remembers Wiesy for not signing her card it seems as this subject keeps on re-appearing whenever there is an incident of a player NOT signing their scorecard....heck!!....it has happened to so so many players in the past, but if you think about it....whenever it happens NOW, the story that is referenced is Wiesy not signing her scorecard....mindboggling stuff

anyway....have a good day everyone....I am going to smoke me one of my "Rolled Cigarettes" and ponder upon what grade Lojo will be giving me....hmmmm....just kidding folks....anyway folks....my spouse and Daughter are Both Teachers....here is what I see happening as the Norm....for some reason, Teachers just like "Rascal Students"....these rascal students might not be the BEST and Smartest....but they are important in keeping the teacher on her toes....right now, I suspect that I have already broken three of Lojo's toenails....but what the heck...she still have seven left and she can hide these Broken ones inside of thick woolen socks....just kidding folks

anyway....have a good day...see ya!!!

wiefan · 04-30-2009, 04:38 PM

Originally Posted by Buzzer

The fellow in Hawaii wasn't incapacitated due to illness.

If a player becomes ill and is taken from the course prior to completion of their round how can they verify the score of the player(s) whose card they were supposed to sign, since they didn't see the full round?

Simple logic should prevail, don't you think?

Viva Annika

Hi ya buzzer...I think all that they want is verification of the holes played while the marker was still there...after the Marker left, then Lojo's theory about another marker taking the place of the one that left would resume the round

the marker that left wouldn't be attesting to the FULL round....only the portion of which he witnessed

just my guess....so Lojo....am I correct in this assumption....GOD!!! I am ON A ROLL...a MAJOR ROLL....since I am on a ROLL....let me make this prediction....Wiesy is going to play WELL at the Kingsmill Tournament...yep!!...that is my prediction

anyway....have a good day folks...see ya!!

dangerbob · 04-30-2009, 11:05 PM

Originally Posted by wiefan

if I remember correctly....John Daly once walked of the course after he was angry at one of his holes....

What's wrong with his hole? It reminds me of this guy who died and when he woke up...he was surounded by beautiful women. "Where I am?," he asked. "You are in hell", Satan answered. "Wow", the man said. "This is what I always thought heaven was! Can I have one those women?" "Go ahead." Satan said. So he took one of the women and he found out she has no hole and he said, "This is Hell!"

xman5 · 05-01-2009, 09:54 AM

6-6. Scoring in Stroke Play a. Recording Scores

After each hole the marker should check the score with the competitor and record it. On completion of the round, the marker must sign the score card and hand it to the competitor. If more than one marker records the scores, each must sign for the part for which he is responsible.

b. Signing and Returning Score Card After completion of the round, the competitor should check his score for each hole and settle any doubtful points with the Committee. He must ensure that the marker or markers have signed the score card, sign the score card himself and return it to the Committee as soon as possible.

There are a bunch of decisions with markers as well. The player must stop play and inform the committe that he has no marker. Then the committe must appoint him a marker and he can resume play.

The PGA and the LPGA might also have there own local rule if the marker became incapacitated and could not sign.

MarinePaul · 05-01-2009, 10:07 AM

Wiefan, you really need to switch to decaf.

wiefan · 05-01-2009, 03:24 PM

Originally Posted by MarinePaul

Wiefan, you really need to switch to decaf.

Hi ya Marinepaul....I am curious....How many days of non-smoking so far....Have you looked into Electric Cigarettes just in case you get off the wagon....you should read articles and stuff about this....pretty interesting stuff

anyway....good luck on your quitting smoking...see ya.....by the way....even Lojo thought this was a good question.....ahhh I am just waiting to get a pat on the back from the teacher....sort of like a dog loves petting or being thrown a few bones.....anyway....have a good day....see ya!!

MarinePaul · 05-01-2009, 05:51 PM

Wiefan, it's I believe thirteen days. Believe it or not, I do feel better already, but miss that first one in the morning.

I think I've gotten over the physical craving, but still have the habit of reaching into my shirt pocket when I'm driving. I never realized that I couldn't drive to the grocery store without lighting up until I quit.

04-30-2009, 02:17 PM	#1
wiefan Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 4,135	OK...a NEW one... Hi ya Lojo and her dedicated staff of Rules Fanatics....here is a new one for you Remember the Alamo...well forget about the Alamo....what about Wiesy's appearance in the John Deere when she withdrew from Heat exaustion did anyone bother to see whether of NOT Wiesy signed the scorecards of her fellow players before being carted off in the stretcher....the link below tells of what happened to some Hawaii Golfers when a member of their group withdrew mid-way int othe round and "didn't" sign the other player's cards before leaving now if it happened to them....hmmm....I wonder WHAT happened on the PGA Event....I don't recall EVER reading about Wiesy getting off her "death bed" and mercifully struggling to get to the scorers tent to make sure she signed her playing partner's cards so that they wouldn't get DQ for not having the appropriate signatures...since she was "throwing up all over the course" I am sure her fingers were too "Slippery" to even hold a Pencil.....hmmm....I just threw in this part to add to the "excitement and color" to this post....my bad....anyway.... here is the link to my stuff Golf \| The Honolulu Advertiser \| Honolulu, Hawaii so Lojo....my question is this....suppose a person is "immediately taken away with an ambulance and does NOT sign the cards of her playing partners....as the "Player Spotter and Verification of scores"....how does this work....hmmmm interesting question huh folks...especially when you think about it....LPGA Players in Tournaments WD in the middle of rounds....suppose they WD and do not sign their Playing Partners card....I am sure this COULD Happen and probably did....is there a "special ammendment rule" to the existing rule that caused these three Hawaii Players to get DQ just curious....hmmmm....the things I get into when I am waiting for the Kid to tee it up again....Kingsmill!!! here WIE come....go Wiesy go have a good day folks....see ya!! Last edited by wiefan; 04-30-2009 at 02:21 PM.

04-30-2009, 03:13 PM	#3
LoJo Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: The Golf Course Posts: 2,217 Images: 1	Well, that was an interesting one, wiefan. The article doesn't make exactly clear who signed whose card. I don't understand why the other two were DQ'ed, unless they used the 'wrong' (unauthorized) person as their marker. But...whatever. Mr. Sawada should have gotten the guy who WD to sign before he left the course, and he should have notified someone on the Committee immediately that he needed another marker for the back nine (one of the others would likely have been authorized). In the case of a marker urgently taken off a course w/ no opportunity to sign a scorecard, etc, that would be an exceptional circumstance and, in equity, the person whose card was being marked would likely be allowed to have his card verified by someone else. There is a Decision in the Rules which allows this in in the case of one's marker leaving the course with the competitor's scorecard. I'd think something along those lines might work. Dec. 6-6b/6 Marker Disappears with Competitor’s Score Card Q. In a stroke-play event, competitors were instructed to return their score cards at the scoreboard. Unbeknownst to a competitor, his marker leaves the course hastily at the end of the round and does not report to the scoreboard. He takes the competitor’s score card with him. What should the Committee do? A. The Committee should make every effort to reach the marker. If unsuccessful, the Committee should accept certification of the score by someone else who witnessed the round, perhaps the marker’s caddie or the competitor’s caddie. If no one other than the marker witnessed the round, the score should be accepted without attestation by a marker Yes, common sense should prevail, but sometimes the Rules defy common sense...haha.

04-30-2009, 04:38 PM	#5
wiefan Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 4,135	Originally Posted by Buzzer The fellow in Hawaii wasn't incapacitated due to illness. If a player becomes ill and is taken from the course prior to completion of their round how can they verify the score of the player(s) whose card they were supposed to sign, since they didn't see the full round? Simple logic should prevail, don't you think? Viva Annika Hi ya buzzer...I think all that they want is verification of the holes played while the marker was still there...after the Marker left, then Lojo's theory about another marker taking the place of the one that left would resume the round the marker that left wouldn't be attesting to the FULL round....only the portion of which he witnessed just my guess....so Lojo....am I correct in this assumption....GOD!!! I am ON A ROLL...a MAJOR ROLL....since I am on a ROLL....let me make this prediction....Wiesy is going to play WELL at the Kingsmill Tournament...yep!!...that is my prediction anyway....have a good day folks...see ya!!

04-30-2009, 11:05 PM	#6
dangerbob Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 4,871	Originally Posted by wiefan if I remember correctly....John Daly once walked of the course after he was angry at one of his holes.... What's wrong with his hole? It reminds me of this guy who died and when he woke up...he was surounded by beautiful women. "Where I am?," he asked. "You are in hell", Satan answered. "Wow", the man said. "This is what I always thought heaven was! Can I have one those women?" "Go ahead." Satan said. So he took one of the women and he found out she has no hole and he said, "This is Hell!" __________________ "On this hapless EARTH There's small SINCERITY of mirth And LAUGHTER oft is but an ART To drown the outcry of the HEART!"

05-01-2009, 09:54 AM	#7
xman5 Contest Statistician Join Date: May 2006 Location: NYC Posts: 3,902	6-6. Scoring in Stroke Play a. Recording Scores After each hole the marker should check the score with the competitor and record it. On completion of the round, the marker must sign the score card and hand it to the competitor. If more than one marker records the scores, each must sign for the part for which he is responsible. b. Signing and Returning Score Card After completion of the round, the competitor should check his score for each hole and settle any doubtful points with the Committee. He must ensure that the marker or markers have signed the score card, sign the score card himself and return it to the Committee as soon as possible. There are a bunch of decisions with markers as well. The player must stop play and inform the committe that he has no marker. Then the committe must appoint him a marker and he can resume play. The PGA and the LPGA might also have there own local rule if the marker became incapacitated and could not sign. Last edited by xman5; 05-01-2009 at 10:03 AM.

04-30-2009, 02:41 PM	#2
Buzzer Moderator Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Hilton Head, SC Posts: 2,830 Images: 13	The fellow in Hawaii wasn't incapacitated due to illness. If a player becomes ill and is taken from the course prior to completion of their round how can they verify the score of the player(s) whose card they were supposed to sign, since they didn't see the full round? Simple logic should prevail, don't you think? Viva Annika

04-30-2009, 04:31 PM	#4
wiefan Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 4,135	Hi ya folks....ahhhh I can just see my mid-term grades going ZOOMING UP....the teacher said the magic word..."INTERESTING"....good sign for my resume....ok back to the subject at hand if I remember correctly....John Daly once walked of the course after he was angry at one of his holes....all they mentioned was John "Just walking Off"....now suppose he didn't sign the card of the player he was "Marking"....I guess that Lojo's rule that she shown was made for that type of occasion I don't understand Buzzer's interpretations of "Illness"...illness was Wiesy's reason....but I would think that "injury" by a player withdrawling is the same scenerio....you could be ill and thus not sign a player's card and/or you could be injured and in pain to also NOT sign a player's card anyway...I have read of NO MENTION that either John Daly and/or Wiesy ever signing their playing partners score card before leaving....thus my interest in what would happen if they didn't sign it anyway....ahhhhh only in Hawaii HUH....hmmmm....and to think everyone ONLY remembers Wiesy for not signing her card it seems as this subject keeps on re-appearing whenever there is an incident of a player NOT signing their scorecard....heck!!....it has happened to so so many players in the past, but if you think about it....whenever it happens NOW, the story that is referenced is Wiesy not signing her scorecard....mindboggling stuff anyway....have a good day everyone....I am going to smoke me one of my "Rolled Cigarettes" and ponder upon what grade Lojo will be giving me....hmmmm....just kidding folks....anyway folks....my spouse and Daughter are Both Teachers....here is what I see happening as the Norm....for some reason, Teachers just like "Rascal Students"....these rascal students might not be the BEST and Smartest....but they are important in keeping the teacher on her toes....right now, I suspect that I have already broken three of Lojo's toenails....but what the heck...she still have seven left and she can hide these Broken ones inside of thick woolen socks....just kidding folks anyway....have a good day...see ya!!!

05-01-2009, 10:07 AM	#8
MarinePaul Moderator Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Warren, Ohio Posts: 8,001	Wiefan, you really need to switch to decaf. __________________ Happiness isn't getting what you want, it's wanting what you have.

05-01-2009, 03:24 PM	#9
wiefan Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 4,135	Originally Posted by MarinePaul Wiefan, you really need to switch to decaf. Hi ya Marinepaul....I am curious....How many days of non-smoking so far....Have you looked into Electric Cigarettes just in case you get off the wagon....you should read articles and stuff about this....pretty interesting stuff anyway....good luck on your quitting smoking...see ya.....by the way....even Lojo thought this was a good question.....ahhh I am just waiting to get a pat on the back from the teacher....sort of like a dog loves petting or being thrown a few bones.....anyway....have a good day....see ya!!

05-01-2009, 05:51 PM	#10
MarinePaul Moderator Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Warren, Ohio Posts: 8,001	Wiefan, it's I believe thirteen days. Believe it or not, I do feel better already, but miss that first one in the morning. I think I've gotten over the physical craving, but still have the habit of reaching into my shirt pocket when I'm driving. I never realized that I couldn't drive to the grocery store without lighting up until I quit. __________________ Happiness isn't getting what you want, it's wanting what you have.

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