A lojo "wiesy" question

[wiefan]

Hi ya Lojo....I have a question...I am sure that the answer is "NO Penalty" but I will ask it anyway

In Wiesy's first round at the 15th hole...there is a Pix of Wiesy sort of resting her back side on the Bark of the tree to hit her shot....could this be in anyway like "Improving her stance" if she is using the tree to support herself....I don't think so as the tree is BIG and Wiesy's Backside is NOT strong enough to move this tree back and forth....I am just wondering

also a scenerio...suppose the tree was just a small Bendable one...would this have been "Improving her stance"....assuming that the small tree doesn't break with her weight....not that the kid is fat and/or Heavy....heck she is probably just as skinny as the "skinny twigs of small growing trees".....just kidding wiemaniacs

anyway....Lojo and/or her staff of Knowledgeable rules Gurus....what about this kid resting on the Bark of the tree and also the scenerio

anyway....have a good day everyone....I am sure if it was a penalty...we would have had a LOT of WhistleBlowers and again the Kid would be surrounded in Controversy....Holy Baumberger Batman.....or should I say....Holy Ground Hog Day...dejavu time ....anyway....see ya!!

I will try to copy and paste the pix...I dunno if it will work but I will try....see ya!!

[wiefan]

Ok folks...I will attempt to paste the pix....here goes


hits from beside a tree on the 15th hole during the first round

[wiefan]

Originally Posted by wiefan

Ok folks...I will attempt to paste the pix....here goes


hits from beside a tree on the 15th hole during the first round

ok...lemme just copy the link to Mawls pix....coming up....see ya

[wiefan]

ok folks....here is the link

michellewiefans.com • View topic - Wiesy @ 2009 Kraft Nabisco Championship

Mawl is an excellent poster....anyway...see ya...so whadda ya think??

[greentee]

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I don't know the rules that well, but that big tree is an immovable object that is in the way, kinda like if your shot ended up close to a wall, also immovable. But I do not know. Interesting question. I should finally read all those tons of rules in golf, lazy me. :-)

EDIT:

Ok, I will take a shot at it.

(1) In that photo of her looking like she may be leaning into the tree, you can not tell for certain from the photo though, and I think it does not matter anyways.

(2) In my only golf book with rules, (it's called Golf School and last printed in 1999 - so things may have changed in the rule sense then). I have gone through all the rules and the only one that related to your question as I can see it is Rule 13, more to the point only Rule 13-2. So here goes, hope I type it correct....

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Rule 13 " Ball Played As It Lie, Area Of Intended Swing & Line Of Play; Stance.

(It's the stance part I think is important), which is.....

Rule 13-2. Improving Lie, Area of Intended Swing or Line of Play.

Except as provided in the Rules, a player shall not improve or allow to be improved: the position or lie of his/her ball, the area of his/her intended swing, his/her line of play or a reasonable extention of that line beyond the hole or the area in which he/she is to drop or place a ball by any of the following actions: moving, bending or breaking anything growing or fixed (including immovable obstructions and objects defining out of bounds) or removing or pressing down sand, loose soil, replaced divots, other irregularities of surface except as follows: as may occur in fairly taking a stance, in making a stroke or the backward movement of his/her club for a stroke, on the teeing ground in creating or eliminationg irregularities of surface, or on the putting green in removing sand and loose soil as provided in Rule 16-1a or in repairing damage as provided in Rule 16-1c. The club may be grounded only lightly and shall not be pressed on the ground. (END)

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I looked at Rule 16-1a and Rule 16-1c, and I don't see as how they pertain to this situation for they are about the putting green. Anyways I seen nothing about resting your butt on tree as you play your ball. Kind of reminds me of the golfer who went up into a tree to hit his ball.

So - what do you think now? :-)

gt

[wiefan]

Originally Posted by greentee

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I don't know the rules that well, but that big tree is an immovable object that is in the way, kinda like if your shot ended up close to a wall, also immovable. But I do not know. Interesting question. I should finally read all those tons of rules in golf, lazy me. :-)

Hi ya greentee...."Immoveable Object" yes....but if I remember correctly....just like a tree limb...the player cannot Break any part of the tree on their Practice swing....on the real shot...I suppose if you break something on your follow through that is ok....but sort of like Wiesy's Penalty about the Leaf in the sand trap and her brushing it on her takeway...that was a No-No...because the Silly ol' Leaf moved

now I am sure that Wiesy's butt couldn't move that tree at #15....that is why I inserted the scenerio....suppose it was a Tiny small thin tree that Wiesy's backside could bend upon stance and take away...would that be a penalty

hmmm....I am sure that either Lojo and/or her smart staff of poster rules gurus will help with the answer

anyway....have a good day....see ya!!

[greentee]

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Ya it can be a tricky one.... golf is rocket science. :-)

[wiefan]

Originally Posted by greentee

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I don't know the rules that well, but that big tree is an immovable object that is in the way, kinda like if your shot ended up close to a wall, also immovable. But I do not know. Interesting question. I should finally read all those tons of rules in golf, lazy me. :-)

EDIT:

Ok, I will take a shot at it.

(1) In that photo of her looking like she may be leaning into the tree, you can not tell for certain from the photo though, and I think it does not matter anyways.

(2) In my only golf book with rules, (it's called Golf School and last printed in 1999 - so things may have changed in the rule sense then). I have gone through all the rules and the only one that related to your question as I can see it is Rule 13, more to the point only Rule 13-2. So here goes, hope I type it correct....

================================================== =

Rule 13 " Ball Played As It Lie, Area Of Intended Swing & Line Of Play; Stance.

(It's the stance part I think is important), which is.....

Rule 13-2. Improving Lie, Area of Intended Swing or Line of Play.

Except as provided in the Rules, a player shall not improve or allow to be improved: the position or lie of his/her ball, the area of his/her intended swing, his/her line of play or a reasonable extention of that line beyond the hole or the area in which he/she is to drop or place a ball by any of the following actions: moving, bending or breaking anything growing or fixed (including immovable obstructions and objects defining out of bounds) or removing or pressing down sand, loose soil, replaced divots, other irregularities of surface except as follows: as may occur in fairly taking a stance, in making a stroke or the backward movement of his/her club for a stroke, on the teeing ground in creating or eliminationg irregularities of surface, or on the putting green in removing sand and loose soil as provided in Rule 16-1a or in repairing damage as provided in Rule 16-1c. The club may be grounded only lightly and shall not be pressed on the ground. (END)

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I looked at Rule 16-1a and Rule 16-1c, and I don't see as how they pertain to this situation for they are about the putting green. Anyways I seen nothing about resting your butt on tree as you play your ball. Kind of reminds me of the golfer who went up into a tree to hit his ball.

So - what do you think now? :-)

gt

Hi ya folks....now here is another question....look at the highlighted RED of greentee's post....very interesting question here

if a player climbs a tree to hit his shot....what about the "Improving the stance" rule....hmmm

ok Lojo....take a deep breath...I KNOW you want to SCREAM!!!....just kidding Lojo...this is why GOD put you here on this discussion site...to answer a$$inine questions like these....so take a big sip of Beer and let proceed with your answer....just kidding Lojo...about the beer part.....anyway....have a good day....see ya!!....anyway...I hope Wiesy is SOLID tomorrow and not scrambling like she did today....but then again....this is the excitement of Wiesy golf...anyway....see ya!!

[cougar]

The picture is a little misleading because of the angle. I was standing about 10 feet away from her, and she was not leaning against the tree during the shot.

[xman5]

In the other thread Cougar said

"The 15th hole found her in the right rough next to a tree. She asked for a rules official, who asked her how she would play the shot. Michelle said "left handed, so the stance would be on the cart path". The nearest point of relief was even closer to the tree, so she just punched the ball back into the fairway."

Does that sound correct? As a righthanded player can you say that for the purposes of this shot I will do it left handed and get a ruling as a left handed stance. That does not sound kosher to me. In any event it does not matter because she just played the ball, but it does not sound right to me.