A lojo "wiesy" question

[Saint-Just X]

Originally Posted by wiefan

Hi ya Blue...ahhhh you are getting into the groove of this thread....actually, the rules of golf are so so detailed compared to other sports that even the loosening of wood chips probably was taken into account when the writers of the rules wrote them

it seems to me that Rules of golf seem to leave "No stone unturned" so to speak....they try to cover every imaginable potential scenerio....amazing stuff....

anyway....have a good day....see ya!!

What if the stone is 'partially' turned,then turned back.

Would a penalty ensue ?

Aaron Baddeley got disqualified a few weeks' ago,at the CA Championships,for turning a stone in a bunker.

Nobody noticed it at the time.It only came to light the following day when,in the same situation,he asked a rules official if there was a penalty for kicking a stone out of the way as he was taking his stance.

When told there would be,he,in a moment of wonderful honesty,confessed that he'd done the same thing in the previous round.

It turns out,there should have been a two-stroke penalty,so he was disqualified for signing an incorrect scorecard...

Pax Vobiscum
Saint-Just X

[dangerbob]

What happens if an elephant is walking on the golf course and got bitten by an ant on her rear and she was struggling to get rid of the ant. And while she was struggling...the sparrow saw her and the sparrow dived and ate the ant. The elephant says.., "thank you for doing that for me...you can ask me for anything and I'll give it to you." The sparrow said, "that's okay...I like ants anyway." The elephant says, "No...go ahead...I'm willing to do you a favor." The sparrow says, "well, if you insist...all my life I'd been fantisizing of making love to an elephant." The elephant says..."well, if that's all you want go ahead." And while they were making out...they didn't realize they were next to coconut tree...and in that tree was a monkey. The monkey got excited and he jumped up and down the tree...and the coconut fell on the elephant's head. The elephant said, "Ouuuuch!" And the sparrow says..."Am I hurting you, honey?"

My question is...Does the monkey gets the penalty?

[LoJo]

Originally Posted by wiefan

WAY TO GO LOJO!!!!...terriffic explainations....I love it

lemme ask you a personal question......since Wiesy declared that she was going to hit her shot Left Handed knowing that the Cartpath rule was going to at least be implemented...don't you think the kid is VERY smart in knowing what her potential options were within the rules of golf

anyway....I think the kid was very knowledgable when she declared that she was going to hit the shot left handed and probably knew that she could then switch back to right handed....and all of this would fall under playing within the rules as they are written.....and to think...all of this happened because of the "Cartpath"....if there was no cartpath, then no need of a cartpath relief ruling...then she would have just played the shot and moved on

anyway...I think not too many people give her credit on knowing the rules of golf...actually she does....as this situation and the BEES stuff indicate...so what Lojo....you agree with my assessment of Wiesy's knowledge or not....just curious

anyway...thanks for answering my questions....see ya...have a good weekend....go Wiesy go!!

wiefan.... I think Michelle weighed her options given that her ball was up against the tree. IF she played it left handed, possibly she could advance it towards the hole. She knew the cartpath would have been a relief situation for a left handed shot, so she was right in calling over a Rules official to inquire.

However, I'd like to think that she knew her Nearest Point of Relief, for a left handed shot, would have been towards the tree and not on the other side of the cart path.

But...hey...yeah, it was worth a shot asking the Rules official. Maybe she could have gotten a more advantageous position.

[wiefan]

Hi ya saint....great to hear that Aaron has class and INTEGRITY
Hi ya Dangerbob....terriffic stuff

Hi ya everyone....hmmmm the Saint posts and he is Immediately followed by the Dangerbob....hmmmmm

Saint....do you get the feeling that Dangerbob is "TAILING" you....just kidding folks....ahhh I just had to post this....it was toooo good to pass up.....

Just a "heads up"...Saint, if you drop a coin on the floor, it would be in your best interest to leave it there......if you catch my drift.....just kidding folks....another one I just couldn't pass up....anyway...I am outta here....Wiesy is about to tee off...see ya!!

anyway....have a good day everyone....see ya!!

[dangerbob]

Originally Posted by wiefan

Just a "heads up"...Saint, if you drop a coin on the floor, it would be in your best interest to leave it there......if you catch my drift.....just kidding folks....another one I just couldn't pass up..

Oh yeah...the good old story. The Marine, Wiefan and the Saint were joyriding and they had an accident and got killed. When they arrived at the Heaven's Gate...St. Peter was standing by the door and he told the 3 men..."Heaven is full right now and we can not accommodate all of you I'll send you all back to earth." But here's the catch...he told the Marine that he can not touch a golf club anymore...he told the Saint that he can not touch a golf ball anymore and told Wiefan that he can not have sex anymore. He told them that if they disobey...they'll disappear. So St. Peter sent them back to earth and while they were going down...from nowhere from above comes a golf club and the Marine grabbed the club and all of a sudden, he disappeared. Then, from nowhere comes a golf ball and the Saint bent over to pick up the ball...And Wiefan disappeared!

[greentee]

[quote=LoJo;82330] greentee.... Bernhard Langer is the golfer who climbed the tree to hit a ball out.

Thanks LoJo, I knew I had seen it some where, now it all comes back. Man I am getting old. :-)

[wiefan]

Hi ya dangerbob....now that was funny.....ok...NO MORE SEX

LOJO...I have a question for you....on today's telecast they showed Angela Stanford in the fairway about to hit her shot...she was discussing it with her caddy....in view of the camera...there was TONS of debris from the howling wind...Jane Crafter was standing on the side of Angela and NEXT to Jane was an enormous big tree branch that the wind blew into the fairway

would it be LEGAL for Jane to grab the branch and toss it off of the fairway....here is my guess...for one thing, Jane would NEVER do this....secondly, I think it would be ILLEGAL....the course has to play exactly as Mother nature sees fit

here is my problem....golfers see divots that are not replaced as they are walking to their next shot....I am pretty sure I seen them grab that loose mound of grass and plop it in the spot where their is a divot.....isn't this the same thing as Jane picking up the branch and tossing it aside....also...I see people pouring sand in places where there is divots....not that I see them once the tournament is started and players are coming....but I know it is done before players reach that fairway...isn't this sort of the same thing as doing something to affect a potential lie....I think the sand thing is probably legal as all golfers will benefit from this....and perhaps moving the loose branch is illegal since Angela had to play with the branch being there....so must those that follow her

in this same line of thinking...when a player is on the green and picks up leaves and toss them aside....isn't this also some form of tampering with whatever Mother nature created as player that play the green afterwards do not have to worry about a leaf stopping the roll of their ball

also in the same line of thinking...hows about the watering of the greens DURING the tournament...I know I have seen this before...before the next group hits...the groundskeeper waters down the dried up green....now this definately affects advantage and disadvantage situations

Lojo...are my examples confusing my question about the Branch....anyway....don't BLAME ME....BOTH WIESY and ME are having a BAD HAIR DAY....ahhh what a windy day today was....tons of well known players shot in the 80's....the morning group surely had a MAJOR ADVANTAGE of tee times....but so is golf....you play what is given to you...sometime you get fortunate....some times you don't....for Wiesy, this is her 2nd tournament in a row that she got the disadvantaged tee time....but things will even itself out in the long run

guess what a poster posted on the other Wiesy site...he checked the wind report and it showed that the super strong wind DIED...RIGHT after Wiesy double bogeyed the last hole....ahh shucks....nothing went right for the kid today....but tomorrow is another day and I suspect the kid will come out firing on all cylinders.....wowWIE...I sure am getting carried away with my ramblings....sorry folks....so what about the BIG loose branch in the fairway??, also the divot, the sand, and the picking up of leaves on the green

anyway....have a good day...I say Branch=not ok, Divot = ok, sand = OK and leaves=ok....but why would the branch NOT be ok....hmmmmm

anyway....have a good weekend Lojo....thanks!!!....see ya!!

edit:...the watering part is probably ok as I have seen it being done....see ya!!

[heddwyn]

WF, I think the branch comes under the movable object 'clause'. Though it seems to be affecting Jane rather than Angela. After all you've mentioned removing leaves, as you can twigs etc as long as it doesn't cause the ball to move.

I would presume Jane could hurl the branch somewhere, preferably not towards Angela's ball!

However, I will bow to LoJo's superior knowledge on these things.

[LoJo]

Originally Posted by heddwyn

WF, I think the branch comes under the movable object 'clause'. Though it seems to be affecting Jane rather than Angela. After all you've mentioned removing leaves, as you can twigs etc as long as it doesn't cause the ball to move.

I would presume Jane could hurl the branch somewhere, preferably not towards Angela's ball!

However, I will bow to LoJo's superior knowledge on these things.

heddwyn...not so sure about my knowledge being "superior" to anyone else who has a rudimentary knowledge of the Rules.

wiefan....too many questions!!! STOP!

But...regarding a LOOSE IMPEDIMENT (large branch) in the fairway, it would not be "illegal" for Jane Crafter to remove it so long as she didn't interfere with the lie of Angela's ball.

Leaves on the green are loose impediments and may be removed by anyone.

I dunno how to answer most of your questions. My head is hurting.

[ctmurray]

Loose impediments are specifically called out in the rules and it is legal to remove them, only a penalty if you move your ball in the process. Rule 13 prevents you from repairing divots only if they are directly on your line of play (or improving the lie of the ball), otherwise the etiquette section of the rules tells you to fix your divots or any you find on the course. In addition it asks you repair any damage on the green including spike marks as you leave the hole. On the pro tour I am sure they have greens keepers go around and fill the divots with sand (instead of putting the sod divot back into the hole). They don't like watering the green between groups but will do so to keep the green from drying out too much (thus having the speed of the green change dramatically over a short time) and trying to not let the green die.