Julie Inkster related question

[wiefan]

Hi ya Lojo and her knowledgeable staff...well we all know about Julie and the DQ

here is my question...the "do-nut" is a training aid, everyone acknowledges it...what about the thing that VJ does with the Glove under his armpits to keep his elbow from flying outward....suppose VJ had this delay during a round and pulled out the Practice Glove (not the one that he grips with) that he uses to tuck under his arm

could this practice Glove be considered an "Outside Training Aid"

just curious....I thought I heard Judy Rankin say something about the training aid had to be "attached" to the club itself for this penality to be called...was I hearing things...just curious

anyway...all of you have a good week...see ya!!

[LoJo]

Originally Posted by wiefan

Hi ya Lojo and her knowledgeable staff...well we all know about Julie and the DQ

here is my question...the "do-nut" is a training aid, everyone acknowledges it...what about the thing that VJ does with the Glove under his armpits to keep his elbow from flying outward....suppose VJ had this delay during a round and pulled out the Practice Glove (not the one that he grips with) that he uses to tuck under his arm

could this practice Glove be considered an "Outside Training Aid"

just curious....I thought I heard Judy Rankin say something about the training aid had to be "attached" to the club itself for this penality to be called...was I hearing things...just curious

anyway...all of you have a good week...see ya!!

wiefan...you make me laugh because you always conjure up these "questions" which are actually quite good (well, sometimes).

We have two different situations here. Juli used a Training Aid (artificial device) during a stipulated round and the penalty is DQ. That is black and white...no discussion.

If Vijay used his glove under his armpit during a Practice Stroke while waiting, that would be not be using an artificial device (or training aid) during a stipulated round, or using equipment in an unusual manner while making a stroke, and there would be no penalty. A golf glove is not an artificial device or unusual equipment. It's the same as if someone is taking a golf club out of the bag and using it as an alignment aid. (Or swinging two clubs to "loosen up")

Of course, the golfer must not use any of his equipment to aid him in making a stroke...during a stroke. So, he must remove any equipment such as a club on the ground or a glove under his armpit prior to making the stroke.

[wiefan]

Hi ya lojo...thanks for your answer...actually I was sort of thinking that the practice glove is NOT a golf glove...but sort of like a gardner's glove...after all, VJ has Large Armpits..thus a golf glove would be too small

anyway...I would think that the gardner's glove is "Unusual equiptment"...and he is using it to gain an sort of advantage...especially since some of the points brought out was "was the object used for the benefit to gain an advantage"

Yikes...I could really get carried away here...suppose Ai Blew up her "inflatable Ball" and started to practice her Balance while taking practice strokes during the delay

on a personal note....if you saw the telecast and saw Julie on TV swinging that do-nut....would you have known that it was an infraction...I know you wouldn't be a whistleblower, but as you sat at home watching TV, would you have said something to yourself....just curious

in fact, I am curious...how many of you out there KNEW about this rule infraction...and if you saw it on TV Live, would you be talking to yourself that this is an infraction....I know that NO ONE here are whistleblowers and'or tattletailers....but I just was curious if anyone caught this infraction of Julie BEFORE it was pointed out

anyway....as BKB inferred...Boy oh Boy am I glad that it wasn't Wiesy....discussion board sites all over would be bursting at the seams with incoming discussions

anyway...have a good day...see ya!!

by the way...I now remember that Judy Rankin mentioned that even if a player used "Rubber Bands" that control their Practice swing position...it would not be a penalty as it was NOT attached to the club

so I ask...in all of the Posting of the rules of Julie's infraction...how come I have Never read anything about "Having or not having it attached to the club" as a penalty or non-penalty

anyway...have a good day...see ya!!

[LoJo]

wiefan....don't push your luck. Don't go over the line w/ your hypothetical situations.

I did not see Juli swinging the club w/ a training aid attached. If I had, I would have jumped out of my "armchair" and commented on it being a violation of the Rules. I often do this during Football games...."That was intentional grounding!!!" or, ...."PASS Interference!! Can you believe that??? Throw a freakin' FLAG!!"

However...No, I would not have phoned in, but I would have KNOWN some other "armchair Rules Nazi" would have done so. If a Rule has been breached, it doesn't matter who reports it...the Officials are obligated to take a look at the report's validity.

IF I were a spectator standing near the tee at Pumpkin Ridge and saw Juli do what she did...yes, I would have notified Tournament Officials or a Rules Official.

This is not being a "tattle-tale"....this is honoring and upholding the integrity of the game and reporting that a violation of the Rules has occured, even though it might have occured through ignorance of the Rules. It is...to use the old phrase...protecting the field.

If I'd been a fellow competitor, I would have said..."HEY....don't use that thing! You'll get DQ'ed!"

Fact is....Juli breached a ROG. I don't see where there's any "if...ands...or buts" about it or about its penalty.

[heddwyn]

The problem with someone watching on TV calling these things in, is that there is no equity through the field - imo. 'Jane Smith' who goes out first on the last day is not going to have cameras on her or her group, whereas the players out later at any stage of an event are. One could argue that 'Jane Smith' has an unfair advantage in a game which is supposed to be fair across the field. If it's called in from the course, different matter.

What I find interesting, and something Putter mentioned, is how unfamiliar with the Rules a lot of these players are. Given this is their job, then shouldn't they be more up with the Rules or at least think if something, however seemingly stupid, is against the Rules and check their Rule Book?

[NTB]

Originally Posted by heddwyn

The problem with someone watching on TV calling these things in, is that there is no equity through the field - imo. 'Jane Smith' who goes out first on the last day is not going to have cameras on her or her group, whereas the players out later at any stage of an event are. One could argue that 'Jane Smith' has an unfair advantage in a game which is supposed to be fair across the field. If it's called in from the course, different matter.

What I find interesting, and something Putter mentioned, is how unfamiliar with the Rules a lot of these players are. Given this is their job, then shouldn't they be more up with the Rules or at least think if something, however seemingly stupid, is against the Rules and check their Rule Book?

Phone calls from tv watchers should not be used for anything.

[Saint-Just X]

Originally Posted by notaxbill

Phone calls from tv watchers should not be used for anything.

I think whoever called it in should be rewarded with a job as an LPGA rules official.

A keen eye for detail,a knowledge of the game's rules ; give that eagle-eyed viewer a contract...

Pax Vobiscum
Saint-Just X

[xman5]

Originally Posted by wiefan

in fact, I am curious...how many of you out there KNEW about this rule infraction...and if you saw it on TV Live, would you be talking to yourself that this is an infraction....I know that NO ONE here are whistleblowers and'or tattletailers....but I just was curious if anyone caught this infraction of Julie BEFORE it was pointed out

I only watched a tiny part of the telecast on Saturday, so I did not see it live, but I am sure that if I did see it my first thought would have been that this does not look right. She can't be doing that? Certianly I would not not have called.

Judi Rankin only mentioned about the rubber bands because they looked up the rule. I am sure that she did not know this off the top of her head.

[xman5]

Originally Posted by heddwyn

What I find interesting, and something Putter mentioned, is how unfamiliar with the Rules a lot of these players are. Given this is their job, then shouldn't they be more up with the Rules or at least think if something, however seemingly stupid, is against the Rules and check their Rule Book?

The best players know the rules and use them to their advantage.

[Blue]

Originally Posted by xman5

The best players know the rules and use them to their advantage.

True of life in general, not just golf