Oh NO! She's gonna get hammered for this one!

[cleo]

Originally Posted by LoJo

So, then why are you giving your opinions about the Rules of Golf?

I suppose I can write the same thing concerning anything that you post LoJo. What exactly are you an expert at, anything?

Just what did you find offensive about what I wrote concerning the "jj incident", your highness?

[cleo]

Originally Posted by 4putt

You do know what we meant, right?

Well, Cleo, I guess you're in that 1% I mentioned...My apologies.

I don't claim to be an expert on the rules either, nor that I know the rules better than you, BUT I do know the rules and try to abide by them - whenever possible.

Let face it though. If you played golf like the girls on the LPGA do on a public course on a weekend, no less, the marshall WILL kick you off the course!!! Walk back to a tee box to hit a provisional???? You'll get your teeth knocked out! We have no walking rules officials, no spotters, no galleries running after your ball into the woods......We all do our best - "winter rules."

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I think you got your addressees mixed up.

[4putt]

Originally Posted by cleo

I think you got your addressees mixed up.

Sorry, Cleo. You're right; it's been fixed.

[Boola Boss]

JJ KNEW she double-hit it!..........but when the rules officials explained in the truck........after she saw the video.......and told her that since SHE hit it, it was HER call........she then had an option to say it didn't happen........she took that option.......for whatever reason.......later they ruled that she DID double-hit and gave her a one stroke penalty.......BUT.......NO DQ!........she was probably delighted with that......and accepted the penalty.......I also think this situation......with everyone watching all the replays on TV.......was VERY-WELL handled by all the officials.....

[LoJo]

Originally Posted by 4putt

You do know what we meant, right?

Well, LoJo, I guess you're in that 1% I mentioned...My apologies.

I don't claim to be an expert on the rules either, nor that I know the rules better than you, BUT I do know the rules and try to abide by them - whenever possible.

Let face it though. If you played golf like the girls on the LPGA do on a public course on a weekend, no less, the marshall WILL kick you off the course!!! Walk back to a tee box to hit a provisional???? You'll get your teeth knocked out! We have no walking rules officials, no spotters, no galleries running after your ball into the woods......We all do our best - "winter rules."

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4Putt.... 99% of the golfers I play with play by the Rules of Golf. The other 1%...I don't play with if they want to play some other Rules.

I don't understand how "winter rules" speed up the play of the game. Winter Rules is the term generally used when improving the lie of the ball because of "winter" or bad course conditions. How does this speed up play? Or are you and cleo using the term "winter rules" to mean a casual understanding of and adhering to some of the Rules, but not others?

If you're not playing by the Rules of Golf, then what game are you playing?

Trust me...it takes no longer to play by the Rules. Pat Hurst and Annika Sorenstam played one of the most important rounds of their careers this morning in under 3 and 1/2 hrs. Playing by the Rules.

Walk back to a tee box to hit a provisional???? You'll get your teeth knocked out!

Sorry....you can't "walk back to the tee to hit a provisional." The playing of a provisional ball to save time must be announced and hit before going forward to search for your ball which might be lost. See R. 27-2

If you'd like to discuss any Rules, I'd be happy to do so in the Rules Folder on this board.

[LoJo]

Originally Posted by cleo

I suppose I can write the same thing concerning anything that you post LoJo. What exactly are you an expert at, anything?

Just what did you find offensive about what I wrote concerning the "jj incident", your highness?

I didn't find your post re the "jj incident" offensive.

I found your post stating you're not an "expert" about the Rules because you play "winter rules" (whatever that means) to be curious and amusing.

Kinda like saying...I don't know much about the Rules because I cheat, but I'm gonna give my opinion about a Rules issue anyhow.

That's all.

Have a nice 4th of July.

[Blue]

Originally Posted by LoJo

Trust me...it takes no longer to play by the Rules. Pat Hurst and Annika Sorenstam played one of the most important rounds of their careers this morning in under 3 and 1/2 hrs. Playing by the Rules.

I agree that time constraints should not generally be an excuse for playing by the rules, up to a point.

BUT, the biggest factor contributing to the speed of Hurst and Sorenstam's round today was the fact that they are two of the best golfers in the world and were able to play this very difficult course in a total of only 144 strokes, and most of these from the fairway and green. The fewer strokes played and the fewer strokes played from the rough and sand, the quicker the round.

[LoJo]

Originally Posted by Blue

I agree that time constraints should not generally be an excuse for playing by the rules, up to a point.

BUT, the biggest factor contributing to the speed of Hurst and Sorenstam's round today was the fact that they are two of the best golfers in the world and were able to play this very difficult course in a total of only 144 strokes, and most of these from the fairway and green. The fewer strokes played and the fewer strokes played from the rough and sand, the quicker the round.

Of course, expert golfers will play quicker than those who are struggling to break 100. Clearly, it takes more time to hit it 100 times than 72 times. But what has that to do with playing by the Rules?

Someone mentioned that busy Muni courses required one to play by some "other" Rules in order to speed up play. I say that playing the game by the Rules takes no more time than playing these so called "winter rules." Possibly less if players understand their options.

As Dottie Pepper said, in a discussion about the glacial-paced Shi Hyun Ahn....she's never ready to hit the ball!

You're right in your assessment of Hurst and Sorenstam's pace today. Mix someone like Ahn or McGill or Grace Park in the round today instead of Sorenstam and Hurst, and we'd still have been watching well past 1pm.

It's not the Rules causing slow play. It's idiots causing slow play.

[wiefan]

Hi ya Boola....I am sorry but I have to DISAGREE with you big time....you said "JJ KNEW she double-hit it!"...WRONG WRONG WRONG....if JJ knew she hit double hit it....she would have come forth and said so....I am sure that there are golfers that may be dishonest....but JJ is not one of them....Anyone that can show a lot of class and style in her personal life, tells me that in their Golf Life...they understand the rules of golf and respect that HONESTY and integrity "OVERRULES" all else.....think about this....I am sure that even when looking at the replays....JJ must have thought that "It sure looks like a double hit"...so she knew the repercussions of her answer.....she gave her answer as Honestly as she possible could....here is my opinion....if JJ even had a slight slight thought that she just might have hit it twice....she would have just taken the penalty BEFORE she teed up for the second 18....I do believe 100% that JJ doesn't think she did anything wrong.....but when the "official ruling was overturned"...she just said "OK, I will accept the ruling, but in my mind I didn't feel any double hit"

this is the EXACT same thing as MW's DQ at Samsung....she felt at the time that she didn't do anything wrong....when Robert Smith came out with that STRING measurement....MW just said..."OK, I abide by the ruling"....but when I did the drop, my caddie and I both felt it was a legal drop and that is why we kept on playing

so....in my opinion...saying that JJ Knew she double hit is definately wrong...she knew she didn't feel the double hit...even after seeing it on replays

anyway....have a good evening...see ya!!

[MarinePaul]

I again find myself agreeing with Lojo. I play in a league where some of the guys want to "fluff" their ball, or "give themselves a swing" when they're in the trees. It's a constant point of contention for those of us who play the game by the rules.

The pace of a round depends entirely on whether or not a player is ready to hit when it's his turn. Few things in life are more irritating than watching a group ahead hold a mini- convention over every putt, or drive their carts up to each player's ball individually. I get rather cranky after more than about four hours.

Winter rules, mulligans and similar "friendly agreements" never allow a player to determine a true handicap, and, in my opinion, never allows a player to reach their full potential.