No more Kangol?

[Blue]

http://editorial.gettyimages.com/sou...57227161&cdi=0

[NTB]

This is for all you wie fans I am going to try and let you know how I feel about Ms Wie.
At the age of ten yrs old she was beating the pants off of grown men in her home state.
She was a (fee-nom)She won at every level and did not play against girls or boys her age
as they just couldn't stay on the course with her.
Does this make her very special( ABSOLUTELY).
It is hard to hold her in perspective as a 16 year old kid I repeat 16 and almost won a major at 16,
again the only word is (fee-nom-anl) I don't remember this ever being done at 16
Ms Pressel almost won the us open in high school That to is Amazing. This is bringing to
light what we are about to see on the LPGA. Some very very Amazing stuff.
To look at michelle She may grow some more think about that.
I don't expect as much from her now as does her die hard fan base. I want her to date
drive a car run with her friends have loads of fun establish what we all got to do
develop a load of childhood memories. I wish she would quit her present coach
and go with Butch Harmon. I hope that after she is through being a kid she keeps
up her education She is obviously very smart. Then after all that and being fully prepared
to take on the world , become as dedicated as Annika. Work out get very strong. Then
she would be back to square one . Like she was at the age of ten (fee nom).
Like I said the lpga is becoming stronger every year. The girls are getting longer off the
tee box. Short games will with all the good coach's out there and more to come get
better and better . But I totally believe because of the great coach she had in her mother.
The gene pool she has come from. Ms Wie will in the future dominate the lpga as no one
ever has before. No offence to the Annika fan base. I am not a die hard fan of anyone
anywhere and really do not understand that . I accept it just don't understand it.
I tried for a long time to be patient with the constant interjection of Wie in every post
after a while( to me ) it was a little over the top and I tried to express that and was attacked.
I then started trying to point this out everytime I could. I fully realize most of the wie fans do not
do this (interject her into every post) but do stay on subject to them I apologize if they were offended.
Looking for great and amazing things on the lpga now and in the future.
Notaxbill

[Blue]

I was not aware that Michelle was playing against grown men at the age of 10. I mean competitive grown men , not just men who had barely ever picked up a golf club or who were set up to prove something? Do you have documentation of this?

[jcd]

Originally Posted by Blue

I was not aware that Michelle was playing against grown men at the age of 10. I mean competitive grown men , not just men who had barely ever picked up a golf club or who were set up to prove something? Do you have documentation of this?

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Actually, it seems she was playing at least at 11 against the men and qualifying and making it into match play. She was even younger when playing in Women's events. Her feats and accomplishments are documented on this website:

http://www.808golf.com/michellewie/mw_aw-accomp.htm

An addition website with a timeline for Michelle's accomplishments is this one:

http://golf.about.com/cs/womensgolf/a/wietimeline.htm

[Blue]

Sorry, I don't see any proof of her "beating the pants off men as a 10-year-old." Just more of the Wie hype.

[NTB]

Blue it may well be hype I brought it out on the old board.
She was club champ at 10 or 11. Her Mother is a scratch golfer
and taught the father how to play also taught MW . Like in the state
amature she played against a man that was very good and scared him to
death. His statement was can you imagine what my life would have been
like if she had beat me.
Anyway it was a article on her and her family. Sounded real to me.
I will go back on the web and see if I can find it.
But ya got to admit she shot some pretty respectable golf at kraft.
16 years old.
If I remember it right she was the club champ at like 10 years old. That
may have been against women. I'll look again.
notaxbill

[Blue]

I'm not saying she wasn't an amazing golfer as a 10-year-old girl and, yes, she competed against adults and even against men and beat some of them. But that's a long way from saying she beat the pants off the men. It makes it sound like she was destroying all the scratch male golfers in the state of Hawaii and that's really not true and it's how the hype gets started and it's why a lot of people don't like Michelle Wie or, more precisely, don't like her fans.

[jcd]

Originally Posted by Blue

I'm not saying she wasn't an amazing golfer as a 10-year-old girl and, yes, she competed against adults and even against men and beat some of them. But that's a long way from saying she beat the pants off the men. It makes it sound like she was destroying all the scratch male golfers in the state of Hawaii and that's really not true and it's how the hype gets started and it's why a lot of people don't like Michelle Wie or, more precisely, don't like her fans.

But she was beating the male golfers in the Hawaii tournaments. Maybe not winning against the full field, but a third place certain is beating the pants off the guys. That not hype. That's results. Who else has those results at 11, male or female? Making it into the match play portion of a male tournament means that she beat at least half the golfers in the tournament. Are we to believe that all of them were hackers? It was a state tournament.

Only hype around here is your insistance that Michelle did not accomplish what she indeed has and there are records to show it.

[Blue]

The point is you need all the data: who was in the tournament? what were their ages? what was their average handicap? how many men were in the tournament? was she the only female in the tournament? was she the only child in the tournament? maybe some of the "men" were other 11 or 12 year old boys? how many people were in the tournament in total? how many men did she actually beat?

It's very easy to extrapolate inaccurately and exagerate from her playing in some tournaments at age 10 (or is it now 11) in which men also played to her "beating the pants off all the men in the state of Hawaii."

To say "she was beating the male golfers in the Hawaii tournaments" is completely inaccurate. It is a false statement because it implies that she was beating all male golfers in every Hawaii tournament she played in and that is a complete and utter lie. She beat some maile golfers in some Hawaii tournmanets in which she played. You may recall this type of logic statement from standardized test like the SAT, GRE, LSAT, GMAT, etc. It has to be stated accurately and has a very precise meaning.

Again, if people want to understand why there is dislike toward the Wie mania, this is exactly it. Some facts are true and those are enough to be impressive enough but then they are exaggerated out of all proportion and misstated and that is why people turn against Wie, her fans, her family and her large team of handlers. It is a shame and a disservice to an innocent 16-year-old girl.

[NTB]

Blue like I said I am looking for the original and if I find it I will post it.
The way I remember it at the age of 10 or 11 she was the club champ
on the ladies side. by the age of 12 She was the club champ on both sides
and she no longer competed against jr golfers because she ran off with it.
That is the parts I remember.(I think) and if you have kept up with my
post on this forum you will see I don't hype anything or at least try not to.
Don't know much about her folks other then her mother was a scratch
golfer.Just for your benefit and because you are always finding fault
about details I do not know what tees she played from or what ball she
uses or if her clubs are to spec. She taught MW . Mw would at that age
qualify to be called a phenom I hope I spelled that right wouldn't
want to upset you. This post was for the wie folks to understand I
like the girl plain and simple I just don't worship her. Oyeah before I leave
any detail out the men she was beating at the age of 10 or 11 were
not along the line of Tiger Woods I didn't think I would need to qualify
that statement I wasn't trying to write somthing in to law.
notaxbill