Christina Kim suing Joongang Ilbo

Whistling Straight · 03-12-2009, 12:12 PM

This article could have gone to both players but I know of a loyal fan of Michelle's that probably would be interested in reading this blog entry:

Brian in Jeollanam-do: Golfer Christina Kim suing Joongang Ilbo for libel and defamation.

Blue · 03-12-2009, 05:40 PM

The blog author made a big mistake in stating that Christina Kim was born in Korea. She was born in America.

Buzzer · 03-13-2009, 09:04 AM

The ninny who wrote that obviously knows nothing about golf.....if Christina had been born in Korea she would not have been on the US Solheim Cup team.
If you read all the way to the bottom ( not recommended....tedious and boring) he admits that since he saw her pic in a Korean paper with some relatives he assumed she was born there.

Viva Annika

MarinePaul · 03-13-2009, 09:19 AM

Buzzer, tedious and boring is rather complimentary. I was thinking more along the lines of a crock of crap.

BrianD · 03-13-2009, 10:41 AM

Well, I'm the ninny who wrote that, and I corrected the bit about where she was born. However, nowhere on the post do I say I assumed she was born there because I saw some pictures of her in the newspaper. I'm not sure where you're getting that or why you wrote that random line.

But if you're familiar with my blog, or familiar with Korea, you'd understand that I was writing not an overview of Christina Kim, but a reaction to news that she is suing a Korean newspaper. Thus it can be relevant to compare her situation to someone like, say, Michelle Wie, who is far less attached to Korea but who plays up her ethnicity to get big bucks over here.

BrianD · 03-13-2009, 10:43 AM

ah, okay, you saw one of the commentors assumed she was Korean based on the picture, but he's not the author of the post. If you're going to nitpick about me making a mistake, try to avoid doing it yourself.

Anyway, I appreciate the visits, and would encourage you to read it in light of news that Kim is suing a Korean paper, and what that paper said about her, and how that is different to reactions to other successful ethnic Koreans who return "home."

RainMan · 03-13-2009, 01:32 PM

Brian,

It is a little hard to follow who is saying what on your blog since you are mixing your own comments with quotes from an article which is itself quoting another article which is supposedly quoting people, presumably translated from English to Korean and back to English.

Our posters are kinda old and some have difficulty with complicated things. :)

Perhaps our "moderator" is correct that you are not familiar with the Solheim Cup qualification criteria, but since your blog is not really a golf blog that is understandable.

You seem to be knowledgeable and perhaps a student of Korean culture, so let me ask you something. My impression is that Koreans support (demand?) fervent nationalism. Is that true? That seems to be the crux of why Wie and C. Kim need to denounce their American citizenship.

It seems ironic that the "fans" (so called) of Korean LPGA players are quick to be offended and play the race card, but the Korean culture seems deeply rooted in intolerance.

dangerbob · 03-13-2009, 03:52 PM

Originally Posted by RainMan

Brian,
Our posters are kinda old and some have difficulty with complicated things. :)

I resent that statement! I am only 28 and not even old enough to run for U.S. President. And I don't have any difficulty understanding complicated things. I hope you are speaking for yourself!

Blue · 03-13-2009, 06:17 PM

Well there seems to be no love lost between Christina and the Korean public and media.

Here's the part of the original interview that seemed to spark most of the controversy:

"Q. What would it mean for you to win in this country?
CHRISTINA KIM: Well, I think it would be kind of a vindication. I understand that I am a controversial person in this country to say the least, but everyone is entitled to their own opinion. It would be a bit of a vindication for me if I were to come out and win. It would be huge. It's been a long time since I've won. It's been three years just about and to come back and win, here especially, would be very, very special.

I'm trying my best to reach out and interact with everybody and if some people don't like me, it's just like in America, some people don't like me."

Full interview: LPGA.com

It seems "vindication" was mistaken for "vengeance."

RainMan · 03-13-2009, 07:23 PM

One of the definitions for vindicate is to get revenge for. A vindictive person is one who seeks revenge.

When translated to Korean, vindication and vengeance may end up as the same word. Taken in context with her entire statment, I would say that her meaning was accurately translated if they used a word that carried an implication of revenge.

Maybe C. Kim just used the wrong word (twice) and meant something like validate.

03-12-2009, 12:12 PM	#1
Whistling Straight Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 450	Christina Kim suing Joongang Ilbo This article could have gone to both players but I know of a loyal fan of Michelle's that probably would be interested in reading this blog entry: Brian in Jeollanam-do: Golfer Christina Kim suing Joongang Ilbo for libel and defamation.

03-13-2009, 09:19 AM	#4
MarinePaul Moderator Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Warren, Ohio Posts: 8,003	Buzzer, tedious and boring is rather complimentary. I was thinking more along the lines of a crock of crap. __________________ Happiness isn't getting what you want, it's wanting what you have.

03-13-2009, 01:32 PM	#7
RainMan Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 269	Brian, It is a little hard to follow who is saying what on your blog since you are mixing your own comments with quotes from an article which is itself quoting another article which is supposedly quoting people, presumably translated from English to Korean and back to English. Our posters are kinda old and some have difficulty with complicated things. :) Perhaps our "moderator" is correct that you are not familiar with the Solheim Cup qualification criteria, but since your blog is not really a golf blog that is understandable. You seem to be knowledgeable and perhaps a student of Korean culture, so let me ask you something. My impression is that Koreans support (demand?) fervent nationalism. Is that true? That seems to be the crux of why Wie and C. Kim need to denounce their American citizenship. It seems ironic that the "fans" (so called) of Korean LPGA players are quick to be offended and play the race card, but the Korean culture seems deeply rooted in intolerance. Last edited by RainMan; 03-13-2009 at 01:35 PM.

03-13-2009, 03:52 PM	#8
dangerbob Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 4,872	Originally Posted by RainMan Brian, Our posters are kinda old and some have difficulty with complicated things. :) I resent that statement! I am only 28 and not even old enough to run for U.S. President. And I don't have any difficulty understanding complicated things. I hope you are speaking for yourself! __________________ "On this hapless EARTH There's small SINCERITY of mirth And LAUGHTER oft is but an ART To drown the outcry of the HEART!"

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03-12-2009, 05:40 PM	#2
Blue Forum Moderator Contests: Joint 3rd place overall winner 2009. Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 7,650 Images: 6	The blog author made a big mistake in stating that Christina Kim was born in Korea. She was born in America.

03-13-2009, 09:04 AM	#3
Buzzer Moderator Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Hilton Head, SC Posts: 2,831 Images: 13	The ninny who wrote that obviously knows nothing about golf.....if Christina had been born in Korea she would not have been on the US Solheim Cup team. If you read all the way to the bottom ( not recommended....tedious and boring) he admits that since he saw her pic in a Korean paper with some relatives he assumed she was born there. Viva Annika

03-13-2009, 10:41 AM	#5
BrianD Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 5	Well, I'm the ninny who wrote that, and I corrected the bit about where she was born. However, nowhere on the post do I say I assumed she was born there because I saw some pictures of her in the newspaper. I'm not sure where you're getting that or why you wrote that random line. But if you're familiar with my blog, or familiar with Korea, you'd understand that I was writing not an overview of Christina Kim, but a reaction to news that she is suing a Korean newspaper. Thus it can be relevant to compare her situation to someone like, say, Michelle Wie, who is far less attached to Korea but who plays up her ethnicity to get big bucks over here.

03-13-2009, 10:43 AM	#6
BrianD Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 5	ah, okay, you saw one of the commentors assumed she was Korean based on the picture, but he's not the author of the post. If you're going to nitpick about me making a mistake, try to avoid doing it yourself. Anyway, I appreciate the visits, and would encourage you to read it in light of news that Kim is suing a Korean paper, and what that paper said about her, and how that is different to reactions to other successful ethnic Koreans who return "home."

03-13-2009, 06:17 PM	#9
Blue Forum Moderator Contests: Joint 3rd place overall winner 2009. Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 7,650 Images: 6	Well there seems to be no love lost between Christina and the Korean public and media. Here's the part of the original interview that seemed to spark most of the controversy: "Q. What would it mean for you to win in this country? CHRISTINA KIM: Well, I think it would be kind of a vindication. I understand that I am a controversial person in this country to say the least, but everyone is entitled to their own opinion. It would be a bit of a vindication for me if I were to come out and win. It would be huge. It's been a long time since I've won. It's been three years just about and to come back and win, here especially, would be very, very special. I'm trying my best to reach out and interact with everybody and if some people don't like me, it's just like in America, some people don't like me." Full interview: LPGA.com It seems "vindication" was mistaken for "vengeance."

03-13-2009, 07:23 PM	#10
RainMan Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 269	One of the definitions for vindicate is to get revenge for. A vindictive person is one who seeks revenge. When translated to Korean, vindication and vengeance may end up as the same word. Taken in context with her entire statment, I would say that her meaning was accurately translated if they used a word that carried an implication of revenge. Maybe C. Kim just used the wrong word (twice) and meant something like validate.