Book excerpt

ajraymond · 04-06-2010, 11:20 PM

Originally Posted by Blue

• On South Korea’s influence on the tour: “There are so many misconceptions and misunderstandings, and it’s been that way for far too long. By the time I reached the LPGA Tour, the stereotype of the emotionless Korean golfer with an overbearing father was already an enduring cliché. … The fans and reporters who grouse, ‘Oh, those Koreans are all the same’ are just too lazy or narrow-minded to make the effort to get to know the individuals. … The LPGA’s biggest revenue stream is from Korean TV networks paying for the rights to broadcast our tournaments in Korea. So the next time a fan grouses that the Koreans are killing the LPGA, I hope someone will point out that, in this economy, it is Korean money that is keeping the tour afloat.”

Isn't that the damn truth!

I don't know if anyone listens to Prime Time Sports with Bob McCown up here in Canada but I remember last year he had Gail Graham on and was talking about the Koreans. He said "it's not like they have a superstar because a different one wins every week". At the time Ji Yai Shin had 3 wins that year and 6 in total. I thought why do these people even try to discuss the LPGA Tour? It does a disservice to the whole group and really to the tour when these players are not signaled out as individuals. I'll tell you something else........ how awesome was it when all those Americans and Asians came out and gave Yani Tseng a bath of champagne Sunday? That my friends is sticking together as a group and will be huge in the long run. Good stuff ladies!

cleo · 04-07-2010, 09:36 AM

"Confessions of an LPGA star"? She ain't no star.

dangerbob · 04-07-2010, 10:05 AM

Originally Posted by cleo

"Confessions of an LPGA star"? She ain't no star.

I think compared to you, she is a star!

Putter · 04-10-2010, 12:27 AM

Originally Posted by Blue

More excerpts from her book:

• On the sexual orientation of players on tour: “Contrary to what many people think, we are not the Lesbians Playing Golf Association. By my count, there are no more than two dozen gay women playing the tour right now. Considering there are 230 active members, you’re only talking about 10 percent of the players … To every player I know the issue is just not that big a deal. There are no superfreaky homophobes out here or militant man haters … At most, a player’s sexuality may be an occasional practice-round conversation piece: ‘Hey did you hear that so and so likes girls?’ ‘Really? Huh. So did you hit an eight-iron or a nine?’ ”

Oh yes there are - Christina is not right about everything! I too think her percentage is incorrect, but I'll have to go through the players list to see if I'm right.

Blue · 04-10-2010, 08:49 AM

Here implied equating of lesbians and with "militant man haters" is stupid and wrong as well.

I've never met a lesbian who hates men. They just don't want to f*** them and marry them, though the first point can be negotiated in some cases with some people.

Christine has a lot of points to proves to in this book, mostly about dispelling myths about the LPGA: Koreans aren't all robots, the players actually drink and party, they're not all gay. She may be exaggerating a bit to prove her points.

I agree with Putter. There is homophobia in the LPGA and in all women's sports. Perhaps if there weren't, every single current gay player on the LPGA would not be in the closet.

MarinePaul · 04-10-2010, 09:46 AM

What does it matter how many players are lesbian? How many PGA players are gay? There have to be some, and the percentage probably wouldn't be much different that the percentage of the general public. it's really not an issue.

dangerbob · 04-10-2010, 09:51 AM

Originally Posted by Blue

Here implied equating of lesbians and with "militant man haters" is stupid and wrong as well.

I've never met a lesbian who hates men. They just don't want to f*** them and marry them, though the first point can be negotiated in some cases with some people.

Oh...I know lots of them that hate men. YOU JUST DON'T LOOK HARD ENOUGH!

Even straight women hate men sometimes! And I also know some who wants to f*** men...Mostly for money!

dangerbob · 04-10-2010, 09:59 AM

Originally Posted by MarinePaul

What does it matter how many players are lesbian? How many PGA players are gay? There have to be some, and the percentage probably wouldn't be much different that the percentage of the general public. it's really not an issue.

MP...you find lots of them in the figure skating...if you call that a sport! Even the present U.S. Olympic champion...he just hasn't comes out of the closet yet! And that Boitano guy! Haha!

Blue · 04-10-2010, 10:56 AM

Originally Posted by MarinePaul

What does it matter how many players are lesbian? How many PGA players are gay? There have to be some, and the percentage probably wouldn't be much different that the percentage of the general public. it's really not an issue.

It matters because:
1. If Christina is going to state a percentage as fact, she should get it right. Here statement that "you’re only talking about 10 percent of the players" is wrong.

2. Her implication is, "Don't worry about the rumors of gays on the LPGA. It's a really small number so don't worry." Why not? What's to be afraid of? Christina is starting to sound like a homophobe by saying that are hardly any gays and no one really cares, which is far from the truth.

3. The reality is it's a bigger number and people do care, a lot, or all the gay players wouldn't have to be in the closet and players like Christina would have to falsify reality to dismiss away the impact of gays on the LPGA.

Having said all that, I'm still a fan of Christina's and look forward to reading the book.

dangerbob · 04-10-2010, 11:16 AM

Originally Posted by Blue

It matters because:
1. If Christina is going to state a percentage as fact, she should get it right. Here statement that "you’re only talking about 10 percent of the players" is wrong.

What Christina said was..."by her count"(maybe that's all she counted...two dozen...and those 2 dozens is only about 10% of the 230 active members.

Originally Posted by Blue

2. Her implication is, "Don't worry about the rumors of gays on the LPGA. It's a really small number so don't worry." Why not? What's to be afraid of? Christina is starting to sound like a homophobe by saying that are hardly any gays and no one really cares, which is far from the truth.

At this present generation where sexuality is not an issue anymore, who really cares, except maybe Notax!

Originally Posted by Blue

3. The reality is it's a bigger number and people do care, a lot, or all the gay players wouldn't have to be in the closet and players like Christina would have to falsify reality to dismiss away the impact of gays on the LPGA.

If you were in the Marine, you really don't care!

Originally Posted by Blue

Having said all that, I'm still a fan of Christina's and look forward to reading the book.

04-06-2010, 11:20 PM	#11
ajraymond Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 656	Originally Posted by Blue • On South Korea’s influence on the tour: “There are so many misconceptions and misunderstandings, and it’s been that way for far too long. By the time I reached the LPGA Tour, the stereotype of the emotionless Korean golfer with an overbearing father was already an enduring cliché. … The fans and reporters who grouse, ‘Oh, those Koreans are all the same’ are just too lazy or narrow-minded to make the effort to get to know the individuals. … The LPGA’s biggest revenue stream is from Korean TV networks paying for the rights to broadcast our tournaments in Korea. So the next time a fan grouses that the Koreans are killing the LPGA, I hope someone will point out that, in this economy, it is Korean money that is keeping the tour afloat.” Isn't that the damn truth! I don't know if anyone listens to Prime Time Sports with Bob McCown up here in Canada but I remember last year he had Gail Graham on and was talking about the Koreans. He said "it's not like they have a superstar because a different one wins every week". At the time Ji Yai Shin had 3 wins that year and 6 in total. I thought why do these people even try to discuss the LPGA Tour? It does a disservice to the whole group and really to the tour when these players are not signaled out as individuals. I'll tell you something else........ how awesome was it when all those Americans and Asians came out and gave Yani Tseng a bath of champagne Sunday? That my friends is sticking together as a group and will be huge in the long run. Good stuff ladies!

04-07-2010, 09:36 AM	#12
cleo Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: PA Posts: 1,494	"Confessions of an LPGA star"? She ain't no star. __________________ "There's no use arguing with a fool. He only rages and scoffs, and tempers flare."

04-07-2010, 10:05 AM	#13
dangerbob Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 4,871	Originally Posted by cleo "Confessions of an LPGA star"? She ain't no star. I think compared to you, she is a star! __________________ "On this hapless EARTH There's small SINCERITY of mirth And LAUGHTER oft is but an ART To drown the outcry of the HEART!"

04-10-2010, 12:27 AM	#14
Putter Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 1,296 Images: 26	Originally Posted by Blue More excerpts from her book: • On the sexual orientation of players on tour: “Contrary to what many people think, we are not the Lesbians Playing Golf Association. By my count, there are no more than two dozen gay women playing the tour right now. Considering there are 230 active members, you’re only talking about 10 percent of the players … To every player I know the issue is just not that big a deal. There are no superfreaky homophobes out here or militant man haters … At most, a player’s sexuality may be an occasional practice-round conversation piece: ‘Hey did you hear that so and so likes girls?’ ‘Really? Huh. So did you hit an eight-iron or a nine?’ ” Oh yes there are - Christina is not right about everything! I too think her percentage is incorrect, but I'll have to go through the players list to see if I'm right. __________________ Putter

04-10-2010, 09:46 AM	#16
MarinePaul Moderator Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Warren, Ohio Posts: 8,001	What does it matter how many players are lesbian? How many PGA players are gay? There have to be some, and the percentage probably wouldn't be much different that the percentage of the general public. it's really not an issue. __________________ Happiness isn't getting what you want, it's wanting what you have.

04-10-2010, 08:49 AM	#15
Blue Forum Moderator Contests: Joint 3rd place overall winner 2009. Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 7,650 Images: 6	Here implied equating of lesbians and with "militant man haters" is stupid and wrong as well. I've never met a lesbian who hates men. They just don't want to f*** them and marry them, though the first point can be negotiated in some cases with some people. Christine has a lot of points to proves to in this book, mostly about dispelling myths about the LPGA: Koreans aren't all robots, the players actually drink and party, they're not all gay. She may be exaggerating a bit to prove her points. I agree with Putter. There is homophobia in the LPGA and in all women's sports. Perhaps if there weren't, every single current gay player on the LPGA would not be in the closet.

04-10-2010, 09:51 AM	#17
dangerbob Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 4,871	Originally Posted by Blue Here implied equating of lesbians and with "militant man haters" is stupid and wrong as well. I've never met a lesbian who hates men. They just don't want to f* them and marry them, though the first point can be negotiated in some cases with some people. Oh...I know lots of them that hate men. YOU JUST DON'T LOOK HARD ENOUGH! Even straight women hate men sometimes! And I also know some who wants to f* men...Mostly for money! __________________ "On this hapless EARTH There's small SINCERITY of mirth And LAUGHTER oft is but an ART To drown the outcry of the HEART!" Last edited by dangerbob; 04-10-2010 at 10:55 AM.

04-10-2010, 09:59 AM	#18
dangerbob Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 4,871	Originally Posted by MarinePaul What does it matter how many players are lesbian? How many PGA players are gay? There have to be some, and the percentage probably wouldn't be much different that the percentage of the general public. it's really not an issue. MP...you find lots of them in the figure skating...if you call that a sport! Even the present U.S. Olympic champion...he just hasn't comes out of the closet yet! And that Boitano guy! Haha! __________________ "On this hapless EARTH There's small SINCERITY of mirth And LAUGHTER oft is but an ART To drown the outcry of the HEART!"

04-10-2010, 10:56 AM	#19
Blue Forum Moderator Contests: Joint 3rd place overall winner 2009. Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 7,650 Images: 6	Originally Posted by MarinePaul What does it matter how many players are lesbian? How many PGA players are gay? There have to be some, and the percentage probably wouldn't be much different that the percentage of the general public. it's really not an issue. It matters because: 1. If Christina is going to state a percentage as fact, she should get it right. Here statement that "you’re only talking about 10 percent of the players" is wrong. 2. Her implication is, "Don't worry about the rumors of gays on the LPGA. It's a really small number so don't worry." Why not? What's to be afraid of? Christina is starting to sound like a homophobe by saying that are hardly any gays and no one really cares, which is far from the truth. 3. The reality is it's a bigger number and people do care, a lot, or all the gay players wouldn't have to be in the closet and players like Christina would have to falsify reality to dismiss away the impact of gays on the LPGA. Having said all that, I'm still a fan of Christina's and look forward to reading the book.

04-10-2010, 11:16 AM	#20
dangerbob Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 4,871	Originally Posted by Blue It matters because: 1. If Christina is going to state a percentage as fact, she should get it right. Here statement that "you’re only talking about 10 percent of the players" is wrong. What Christina said was..."by her count"(maybe that's all she counted...two dozen...and those 2 dozens is only about 10% of the 230 active members. Originally Posted by Blue 2. Her implication is, "Don't worry about the rumors of gays on the LPGA. It's a really small number so don't worry." Why not? What's to be afraid of? Christina is starting to sound like a homophobe by saying that are hardly any gays and no one really cares, which is far from the truth. At this present generation where sexuality is not an issue anymore, who really cares, except maybe Notax! Originally Posted by Blue 3. The reality is it's a bigger number and people do care, a lot, or all the gay players wouldn't have to be in the closet and players like Christina would have to falsify reality to dismiss away the impact of gays on the LPGA. If you were in the Marine, you really don't care! Originally Posted by Blue Having said all that, I'm still a fan of Christina's and look forward to reading the book. __________________ "On this hapless EARTH There's small SINCERITY of mirth And LAUGHTER oft is but an ART To drown the outcry of the HEART!"

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