Annika, Vice Captain of European Solheim team

dangerbob · 05-19-2010, 10:24 AM

Originally Posted by MarinePaul

Good point. And only God knows where Obama was born.

According to PacificRim, he was born in Kenya!

LoJo · 05-19-2010, 11:53 AM

Oh please....let's not bring the ignorance of the "Birther" conspiracy into golf!

There is an interesting twist in this Solheim Cup though.

As has been pointed out...ad nauseum...eligibility is based on country of birth, not on citizenship. Alison Walshe, who is a naturalized American citizen and who has lived in the US since being a small child, was born in Ireland, has made herself eligible for the 2011 Solheim team playing for Europe.

She has joined the LET (as well as her being an LPGA member), and is hoping to make the Euro team.

Of course, the next Solheim is being held in Ireland and it would be a huge boost to have her on the team as it doesn't appear there would be any other Irish players who are 'on the horizon' to make it. Alison has many relatives in Ireland, and her family spent many summers there (they lived in Boston).

Apparently, her eligibility came to light when she played for the USA against Great Britain & Ireland in the 2008 CURTIS CUP matches! Haha

Anyhow, this is the first time I can recall an "American" golfer playing for the Euros.

heddwyn · 05-19-2010, 12:57 PM

Let's not go down that stupid political path again, but wasn't it established the part of Panama McCain was born in was under US military control. Same with any military kid born on a US base, it's deemed to be US territory. I believe John McEnroe is a good example of the latter.

Believe me it becomes very difficult to establish nationality if you are born off base to parents of another country.

I bet they would check birth certificates or passports if there was the slightest doubt. Good scenario, the USA wins by a country mile, then it's found a USA player wasn't born within the USA or it's territory .... ooops, sorry you lose.

Would it be right to assume that on joining the LPGA a player would have to provide some form/s of ID which would show country of birth?

xman5 · 05-19-2010, 02:54 PM

It doen't matter where you are physically born if your parents are American citizens. Then you are an American citizen.

If you were born outside of the US to American citizens then you could also be a citizen of that country, assuming the laws in that country allow it (as the US does).

Mccain was born on a military installation outside of the US, so in that case he could not be a citizen of that country just the US.

The law in this case is clearly established. Anyone who tells you differently is just wrong. These birthers are not grounded in reality.

xman5 · 05-19-2010, 02:59 PM

Oh and Annika became a US citizen in 2006 and Played for Europe in 2007.

The rules are European by Birth.

Yet Tennis is diffferent. Martina Nav played for the US after becoming a US citizen, famously beating Czechoslovakia in the Fed Cup.

heddwyn · 05-19-2010, 03:25 PM

Yep, don't get born in Italy. Go back there when deemed to be an adult, and you'll find they'll grab you for required military service!

Which has nothing to do with Annika being appointed Vice Captain, or rather one of them. I see captaincy in her future!

dangerbob · 05-19-2010, 03:33 PM

Hey Heddwyn...how come you have Australian's flag and England's flag below your Username? Are you a citizen of both countries? Just curious!

MarinePaul · 05-19-2010, 03:34 PM

Originally Posted by heddwyn

Yep, don't get born in Italy. Go back there when deemed to be an adult, and you'll find they'll grab you for required military service!

Which has nothing to do with Annika being appointed Vice Captain, or rather one of them. I see captaincy in her future!

She'll definitely be a captain, probably as early as the next Solheim. She deserves it.

LoJo · 05-19-2010, 04:05 PM

Originally Posted by heddwyn

Would it be right to assume that on joining the LPGA a player would have to provide some form/s of ID which would show country of birth?

I think one could assume that an application or whatever to join the LPGA would include place of birth, date of birth, etc., just as many applications do.

But....back to the point as to Solheim eligibility....

BORN IN THE USA or BORN IN EUROPE.

Pretty easy to understand that, isn't it?

That's why I brought up what I thought was an "interesting" story about Alison Walshe...an American citizen, but born in Ireland...and how it relates to the next Solheim Cup.

I guess no one else thought it was interesting. Sheesh.

heddwyn · 05-19-2010, 04:23 PM

Citizen of Australia, DB, having sworn allegiance to the Queen. Natural born Brit, and no need to swear allegiance to the Queen.

If you haven't worked it out, I am living back in the UK right now, so now a cross of St George rather than the State of Victoria flag.

LoJo, I did find it interesting, not sure how she'll make it on points perhaps she's aiming to be a Captain's pick.

05-19-2010, 10:24 AM	#11
dangerbob Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 4,872	Originally Posted by MarinePaul Good point. And only God knows where Obama was born. According to PacificRim, he was born in Kenya! __________________ "On this hapless EARTH There's small SINCERITY of mirth And LAUGHTER oft is but an ART To drown the outcry of the HEART!"

05-19-2010, 02:59 PM	#15
xman5 Contest Statistician Join Date: May 2006 Location: NYC Posts: 3,904	Oh and Annika became a US citizen in 2006 and Played for Europe in 2007. The rules are European by Birth. Yet Tennis is diffferent. Martina Nav played for the US after becoming a US citizen, famously beating Czechoslovakia in the Fed Cup. Last edited by xman5; 05-19-2010 at 03:06 PM.

05-19-2010, 03:33 PM	#17
dangerbob Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 4,872	Hey Heddwyn...how come you have Australian's flag and England's flag below your Username? Are you a citizen of both countries? Just curious! __________________ "On this hapless EARTH There's small SINCERITY of mirth And LAUGHTER oft is but an ART To drown the outcry of the HEART!"

05-19-2010, 03:34 PM	#18
MarinePaul Moderator Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Warren, Ohio Posts: 8,003	Originally Posted by heddwyn Yep, don't get born in Italy. Go back there when deemed to be an adult, and you'll find they'll grab you for required military service! Which has nothing to do with Annika being appointed Vice Captain, or rather one of them. I see captaincy in her future! She'll definitely be a captain, probably as early as the next Solheim. She deserves it. __________________ Happiness isn't getting what you want, it's wanting what you have.

05-19-2010, 04:05 PM	#19
LoJo Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: The Golf Course Posts: 2,217 Images: 1	Originally Posted by heddwyn Would it be right to assume that on joining the LPGA a player would have to provide some form/s of ID which would show country of birth? I think one could assume that an application or whatever to join the LPGA would include place of birth, date of birth, etc., just as many applications do. But....back to the point as to Solheim eligibility.... BORN IN THE USA or BORN IN EUROPE. Pretty easy to understand that, isn't it? That's why I brought up what I thought was an "interesting" story about Alison Walshe...an American citizen, but born in Ireland...and how it relates to the next Solheim Cup. I guess no one else thought it was interesting. Sheesh.

05-19-2010, 11:53 AM	#12
LoJo Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: The Golf Course Posts: 2,217 Images: 1	Oh please....let's not bring the ignorance of the "Birther" conspiracy into golf! There is an interesting twist in this Solheim Cup though. As has been pointed out...ad nauseum...eligibility is based on country of birth, not on citizenship. Alison Walshe, who is a naturalized American citizen and who has lived in the US since being a small child, was born in Ireland, has made herself eligible for the 2011 Solheim team playing for Europe. She has joined the LET (as well as her being an LPGA member), and is hoping to make the Euro team. Of course, the next Solheim is being held in Ireland and it would be a huge boost to have her on the team as it doesn't appear there would be any other Irish players who are 'on the horizon' to make it. Alison has many relatives in Ireland, and her family spent many summers there (they lived in Boston). Apparently, her eligibility came to light when she played for the USA against Great Britain & Ireland in the 2008 CURTIS CUP matches! Haha Anyhow, this is the first time I can recall an "American" golfer playing for the Euros.

05-19-2010, 12:57 PM	#13
heddwyn Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 1,380	Let's not go down that stupid political path again, but wasn't it established the part of Panama McCain was born in was under US military control. Same with any military kid born on a US base, it's deemed to be US territory. I believe John McEnroe is a good example of the latter. Believe me it becomes very difficult to establish nationality if you are born off base to parents of another country. I bet they would check birth certificates or passports if there was the slightest doubt. Good scenario, the USA wins by a country mile, then it's found a USA player wasn't born within the USA or it's territory .... ooops, sorry you lose. Would it be right to assume that on joining the LPGA a player would have to provide some form/s of ID which would show country of birth?

05-19-2010, 02:54 PM	#14
xman5 Contest Statistician Join Date: May 2006 Location: NYC Posts: 3,904	It doen't matter where you are physically born if your parents are American citizens. Then you are an American citizen. If you were born outside of the US to American citizens then you could also be a citizen of that country, assuming the laws in that country allow it (as the US does). Mccain was born on a military installation outside of the US, so in that case he could not be a citizen of that country just the US. The law in this case is clearly established. Anyone who tells you differently is just wrong. These birthers are not grounded in reality.

05-19-2010, 03:25 PM	#16
heddwyn Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 1,380	Yep, don't get born in Italy. Go back there when deemed to be an adult, and you'll find they'll grab you for required military service! Which has nothing to do with Annika being appointed Vice Captain, or rather one of them. I see captaincy in her future!

05-19-2010, 04:23 PM	#20
heddwyn Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 1,380	Citizen of Australia, DB, having sworn allegiance to the Queen. Natural born Brit, and no need to swear allegiance to the Queen. If you haven't worked it out, I am living back in the UK right now, so now a cross of St George rather than the State of Victoria flag. LoJo, I did find it interesting, not sure how she'll make it on points perhaps she's aiming to be a Captain's pick.

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