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paddyman · 05-27-2006, 09:07 AM

Originally Posted by wiefan

Hi ya everybody....I would like to throw in another "possible BIG controversy"....let's talk about the ADT Championship at the end of the year....if MW was to win a Major this year, there is a rule that states ...."FOR LPGA MEMBERS ONLY".....if MW wins a major but at the time of winning the Major was NOT a member......does she meet this RULE if she signs up to be a member AFTER she has won a Major....at the time of winning she is NOT a member

I think that is a very simple issue.
Wie will not join the lpga and will not be in the ADT championships 2006. No way.

paddyman · 05-27-2006, 09:15 AM

Originally Posted by virginian

One issue that the LPGA has got to be considering is that if more and more women want to play on the PGA tour, then more and more men will insist on playing on the LPGA tour.What do you do then?

What happens if men begin to compete on the LPGA tour? They will likely begin winning most, if not all of the events. The number of events where women can win will diminish drastically.

If men try to insist on playing on the lpga, all that happens is those men will look very silly.
So don't worry about them winning lpga events, because they won't be playing in them. No rules changes necessary. All is fine as it is.
lpga is for ladies.
pga is for the best.

Originally Posted by virginian

Possible solutions:
The LPGA can increase the minimum number of events that a "person" must play to maintain LPGA membership to 18 - 20 events. Then drop the maximum outside events restriction.

Then Wie won't become a member at all in my opinion.

Originally Posted by virginian

The PGA can dictate a maximum number of events that a woman can play on the PGA tour each year. Further, they can insitute another rule dictating a maximum number of events that a woman can play with a sponsor exemption. I would suggest no more than 4 exemptions allowed for a woman each year.

That simply wouldn't work. There is no way, they could allow men have 7 sponsors exemptions and women only 4. That just wouldn't be allowed.

Originally Posted by virginian

I think there are other rules that both tours can consider as this issue of women competing with men becomes common and relevant. Hopefully, the two tours are communicating and coordinating their efforts to stay ahead of the curve.

I just think you are completely over-reacting. Wie is a phenom. Who else on the lpga could do anything on the pga tour?
There is no co-ordinating of efforts required by the pga and lpga. If women are good enough they should have the right to take the step up. That is not a two way process.
For example, junior players can play in pga tournaments, but that doesn't mean that Tiger Woods can compete in junior events.

Blue · 05-27-2006, 10:00 AM

The LPGA rule is not in place to prohibit women from just playing in PGA events or in other men's events, but to prohibit them from playing in any other event that conflicts with theirs: JLPGA, LET, some special pay-for-play exhibition set up, etc.. The idea is to keep each event in their organization as well attended by as many of the 144 exempt players as possible to keep the tournament organizers happy, keep the sponsors happy and attract more and more high-paying sponsors, and keep the fans interested and attract more fans. All of this is necessary to keep the LPGA as a business healthy and growing.

05-27-2006, 02:14 PM

Originally Posted by paddyman

I think that is a very simple issue.
Wie will not join the lpga and will not be in the ADT championships 2006. No way.

There is a fair chance that before Wie joins the LPGA, she will win the LPGA Championship.

It looks a little strange for the LPGA Champion to not be eligible for the LPGA's final event. I think the membership requirement for ADT points is correct, however, I fail to see a good reason for preventing major champions from entering the year end event. Whether Wie or a member of another Tour, having ALL major winners in the ADT should be an LPGA goal.

Blue · 05-27-2006, 08:10 PM

Originally Posted by virginian

... Genetics are changing....

Well, actually that's the one thing that's not changing, unless you know something that everyone else doesn't.

05-27-2006, 09:07 AM	#91
paddyman Moderator Join Date: May 2006 Location: Ireland Posts: 1,613	Originally Posted by wiefan Hi ya everybody....I would like to throw in another "possible BIG controversy"....let's talk about the ADT Championship at the end of the year....if MW was to win a Major this year, there is a rule that states ...."FOR LPGA MEMBERS ONLY".....if MW wins a major but at the time of winning the Major was NOT a member......does she meet this RULE if she signs up to be a member AFTER she has won a Major....at the time of winning she is NOT a member I think that is a very simple issue. Wie will not join the lpga and will not be in the ADT championships 2006. No way.

05-27-2006, 09:15 AM	#92
paddyman Moderator Join Date: May 2006 Location: Ireland Posts: 1,613	Originally Posted by virginian One issue that the LPGA has got to be considering is that if more and more women want to play on the PGA tour, then more and more men will insist on playing on the LPGA tour.What do you do then? What happens if men begin to compete on the LPGA tour? They will likely begin winning most, if not all of the events. The number of events where women can win will diminish drastically. If men try to insist on playing on the lpga, all that happens is those men will look very silly. So don't worry about them winning lpga events, because they won't be playing in them. No rules changes necessary. All is fine as it is. lpga is for ladies. pga is for the best. Originally Posted by virginian Possible solutions: The LPGA can increase the minimum number of events that a "person" must play to maintain LPGA membership to 18 - 20 events. Then drop the maximum outside events restriction. Then Wie won't become a member at all in my opinion. Originally Posted by virginian The PGA can dictate a maximum number of events that a woman can play on the PGA tour each year. Further, they can insitute another rule dictating a maximum number of events that a woman can play with a sponsor exemption. I would suggest no more than 4 exemptions allowed for a woman each year. That simply wouldn't work. There is no way, they could allow men have 7 sponsors exemptions and women only 4. That just wouldn't be allowed. Originally Posted by virginian I think there are other rules that both tours can consider as this issue of women competing with men becomes common and relevant. Hopefully, the two tours are communicating and coordinating their efforts to stay ahead of the curve. I just think you are completely over-reacting. Wie is a phenom. Who else on the lpga could do anything on the pga tour? There is no co-ordinating of efforts required by the pga and lpga. If women are good enough they should have the right to take the step up. That is not a two way process. For example, junior players can play in pga tournaments, but that doesn't mean that Tiger Woods can compete in junior events.

05-27-2006, 02:14 PM	#94
Guest Posts: n/a	Originally Posted by paddyman I think that is a very simple issue. Wie will not join the lpga and will not be in the ADT championships 2006. No way. There is a fair chance that before Wie joins the LPGA, she will win the LPGA Championship. It looks a little strange for the LPGA Champion to not be eligible for the LPGA's final event. I think the membership requirement for ADT points is correct, however, I fail to see a good reason for preventing major champions from entering the year end event. Whether Wie or a member of another Tour, having ALL major winners in the ADT should be an LPGA goal.

05-27-2006, 08:10 PM	#95
Blue Forum Moderator Contests: Joint 3rd place overall winner 2009. Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 7,650 Images: 6	Originally Posted by virginian ... Genetics are changing.... Well, actually that's the one thing that's not changing, unless you know something that everyone else doesn't.

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05-27-2006, 10:00 AM	#93
Blue Forum Moderator Contests: Joint 3rd place overall winner 2009. Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 7,650 Images: 6	The LPGA rule is not in place to prohibit women from just playing in PGA events or in other men's events, but to prohibit them from playing in any other event that conflicts with theirs: JLPGA, LET, some special pay-for-play exhibition set up, etc.. The idea is to keep each event in their organization as well attended by as many of the 144 exempt players as possible to keep the tournament organizers happy, keep the sponsors happy and attract more and more high-paying sponsors, and keep the fans interested and attract more fans. All of this is necessary to keep the LPGA as a business healthy and growing.