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Old 03-09-2016, 05:53 PM   #41
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You know full well that clinical tests are first done on mice and rats. Rodents are genetically helpful vis a vis human replication of conditions. Stop acting so shocked. It is known that mildronate, in concert with other drugs, can help control diabetes. That is a fact. An easily researched one at that.
Wrong. wrong. wrong. Midronate is not used to treat diabetes. Not even in rats. There was a single study, as far as I can tell, that showed that it might have an effect on glucose levels in rats. And, yes, drugs are tested often on mice and rats before being used on humans. But this drug never went beyond a single test on rats. There have never even been any clinical trials on its use to treat diabetes in humans, as far as I can claim. The drug's seller claims it cures everything from heart disease to heat rash. But there is zero clinical proof that it has any effect on diabetes in humans. And besides, Maria Sharapova does not have diabetes, so she requires no treatment for it.

Also, if you want to sound believable, you might want to stop calling her by the nickname, "Masha." Obviously you are a huge fan and I think that's having an impact on your usual solid logic.


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The problem with everything you wrote in the second half is that you make a statement about what Masha does or does not have as a medical condition. Neither of us really knows that, so I will not draw any conclusion based off what her excuses are or are not. And there are and have been world class athletes with heart conditions.
I'm basing this exactly on what she said in her announcement on Monday. This was her opportunity to explain her medical conditions. She never said she had diabetes. She said she'd been taking this drug for the last ten years. She said she took it for several health reasons:
1. Getting sick a lot
2. "Getting the flu every couple of months"
3. Irregular EKG results
4. Family history of diabetes
5. Magnesium deficiency

Now, even taking that at face value, and I doubt she was getting "the flu," i.e. influenza, every couple of months, none of these are indicated uses for Meldonium, even by the chemist who invented the drug. See:

Inventor of meldonium defends drug - Sportsnet.ca

Look, IF she had said she actually was diagnosed with one of the actual clinical uses for Meldonium, AND if she had not said that she was taking it for 10 years (a statement she later back-pedaled to on-and-off for ten years when it was publicized that this far exceeds the therapeutic recommendations) AND if this drug wasn't a widely used performance enhancing drug among other Russian athletes and even used to improve performance in Russian soldiers since the 1990s, THEN I might beleve her.

But, again, my second theory (see earlier post), could be the truth. She could just be completely ignorant of what she 1) puts in her mouth, and 2) the connection to that and her health and she blindly took some pills given to her by her manager. By the way, I don't for a minute believe she was telling the truth when she claimed that her family doctor prescribed those. A doctor in the US can't do this and the stuff is readily available over the counter in Russia. She doesn't need a doctor or a prescription.


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...now, if Madison Keys were to fail a drug test...that would crush me...
I don't know who Madison Keys is.

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Old 03-09-2016, 09:53 PM   #42
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Enough of this already! This LPGA forum seems to be on its last legs anyway and this thread will probably kill it.

A word of advice to all. In my opinion (a term unfamiliar to Blue), don't ever accept Blue as a juror when you are the defendant. Consistently, her position seems to be "guilty until proven innocent".

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Masha wrote a letter to her fans thanking them for their support:

I woke up yesterday morning with an inbox, in full capacity of love and compassion.

The first email I immediately opened was from my best friend, you know, the type of person who can make you smile and cry with only one word and who I spent the evening on the phone with, checking up on me, how was I doing?

On average, I love the mornings. New day, new start. It is fair to say that this day was not average. Nothing came to mind at 6am except that I am determined to play tennis again and I hope I will have the chance to do so. I wish I didn’t have to go through this, but I do – and I will.

I needed to sweat, to push through and grind as I have done most of my life, so I made my way to the gym. That’s when I realized a bunch of tinted windowed cars were following me. The good old paparazzi, back on the trail.

I have not been online much except the odd search for a new antique coffee table (random, I know), but my friends made a collage for me with all your beautiful messages and hashtags that you created (#IStandWithMaria and #LetMariaPlay). I spent the afternoon reading them next to my dog, who couldn’t quite understand why this was more important than the walk he was expecting to take.

In this moment, I am so proud to call you my fans. Within hours of my announcement, you showed me support and loyalty, which I could only expect to hear when someone would be at the top of their profession.

I wanted to let you know that your wonderful words put a smile on my face. I’d like to play again and hope to have the chance to do so. Your messages give me great encouragement. This message isn’t anything else but to say thank you. Thank you very much.

-Maria Sharapova


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Old 03-10-2016, 06:42 AM   #44
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Enough of this already! This LPGA forum seems to be on its last legs anyway and this thread will probably kill it.

A word of advice to all. In my opinion (a term unfamiliar to Blue), don't ever accept Blue as a juror when you are the defendant. Consistently, her position seems to be "guilty until proven innocent".

Good bye, all!!
Two posters respectfully disagreeing about a tennis player, or about anything, won't be the death knell for this site.

On the contrary, it's these healthy disagreements that have fueled this site.

But posters popping in with random personal attacks against posters with whom they disagree has never been a good thing.

If you want to leave the site, we can remove you. Just PM Rusty and he'll put you out of your apparent misery.
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I'll make one last comment. Upon further investigation by myself (Ok detailed article in the NY times) it appears the blame is really on Sharapova.

The drug apparently has been under investigation for a year and everyone in sports including doctors, especially in Eastern Europe and Russia knew this.

They had found in recent competition testing over the last few years that this drug has been found in an overly large percentage of tests in Eastern European athletes. Last year all the nation sports federations that were using it made sure there athletes were off the drug.

So basically it is on her and her people for being that stupid. A bunch of other athletes were also caught.

So the change in my position.

Now to me the actual "enhancing" effect of the drug seems dubious. I have no problem with anyone talking it while legal. It is debatable that it should be banned. It seems the only reason is that it has been increasing in use. There is no real science against it.

Basically this is not something that happened in a vacuum, but is something that the sports fan does not know goes on.
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Old 03-10-2016, 05:07 PM   #46
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Enough of this already! This LPGA forum seems to be on its last legs anyway and this thread will probably kill it.

A word of advice to all. In my opinion (a term unfamiliar to Blue), don't ever accept Blue as a juror when you are the defendant. Consistently, her position seems to be "guilty until proven innocent".

Good bye, all!!
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Old 03-11-2016, 11:44 PM   #47
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blog: Maria Sharapova Rebuts Media Reports Concerning Her Failed Drug Test

Maria Sharapova continues to train


In the wake of her announcement concerning the failure of a drug test at the 2016 Australian Open, former world #1 Maria Sharapova sought to clarify some of the reporting that has followed. In a letter posted online, Masha rebuts some of the details being forwarded in the media. Here is her open letter:

To My Fans:
I want to reach out to you to share some information, discuss the latest news, and let you know that there have been things that have been reported wrong in the media, and I am determined to fight back.

You have shown me a tremendous outpouring of support, and I’m so grateful for it. But I have also been aware that some – not all, but some – in the media distort, exaggerate and fail to accurately report the facts about what happened.

A report said that I had been warned five times about the upcoming ban on the medicine I was taking. That is not true and it never happened.

That’s a distortion of the actual “communications” which were provided or simply posted onto a webpage.

I make no excuses for not knowing about the ban. I already told you about the December 22, 2015 email I received. Its subject line was “Main Changes to the Tennis Anti-Doping Programme for 2016.” I should have paid more attention to it. But the other “communications”? They were buried in newsletters, websites, or handouts.

On December 18, I received an email with the subject line “Player News” on it. It contained a newsletter on a website that contained tons of information about travel, upcoming tournaments, rankings, statistics, bulletin board notices, happy birthday wishes, and yes, anti-doping information. On that email, if a player wanted to find the specific facts about medicine added to the anti-doping list, it was necessary to open the “Player News” email, read through about a dozen unrelated links, find the “Player Zone” link, enter a password, enter a username, read a home screen with more than three dozen different links covering multiple topics, find the “2016 Changes to Tennis Anti-Doping Program and Information” link, click on it and then read a page with approximately three dozen more links covering multiple anti-doping matters. Then you had to click the correct link, open it up, scroll down to page two and that’s where you would find a different name for the medication I was taking.

In other words, in order to be aware of this “warning”, you had to open an email with a subject line having nothing to do with anti-doping, click on a webpage, enter a password, enter a username, hunt, click, hunt, click, hunt, click, scroll and read. I guess some in the media can call that a warning. I think most people would call it too hard to find.

There was also a “wallet card” distributed at various tournaments at the beginning of 2016, after the ban went into effect. This document had thousands of words on it, many of them technical, in small print. Should I have studied it? Yes. But if you saw this document (pictured below), you would know what I mean.

Again, no excuses, but it’s wrong to say I was warned five times.

There was also a headline that said, “4-6 Weeks Normal Treatment for Drug in Maria Sharapova Case.” That headline has been repeated by many reporters who fail to tell their viewers and readers what the rest of the story says. The story quotes the manufacturer of my medicine as saying: “Treatment course can be repeated twice or thrice a year. Only physicians can follow and evaluate patient’s health condition and state whether the patient should use meldonium for a longer period of time.”

That’s exactly what I did. I didn’t take the medicine every day. I took it the way my doctor recommended I take it and I took it in the low doses recommended.

I’m proud of how I have played the game. I have been honest and upfront. I won’t pretend to be injured so I can hide the truth about my testing.

I look forward to the ITF hearing at which time they will receive my detailed medical records.

I hope I will be allowed to play again. But no matter what, I want you, my fans, to know the truth and have the facts.

– Maria

Wallet Card part 1


Wallet Card part 2
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She's starting to look desperate.

She just opened the door for other players to say that they had no trouble keeping informed of the WADA updates.

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She's starting to look desperate.

She just opened the door for other players to say that they had no trouble keeping informed of the WADA updates.
Yeah,but,there was,like,thousands of words on that wallet card.

I've always liked Masha,but I wish athletes would learn that attempts at 'damage limitation' invariably make them look worse than if they had just simply accepted their wrongdoing and got on with things...

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With some of her sponsors distancing themselves, Head has doubled down for Maria Sharapova. I get their argument about Meldonium being questionable as to its level of benefit, but that seems beside the point. If WADA for some reason banned chocolate, then you can't have chocolate! You can't complain AFTER you fail a test. Nonetheless, here is part of the second statement Head has released defending Masha:

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