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Old 08-04-2011, 07:00 AM   #21
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Originally Posted by Mr3putt View Post
I can't believe we agree on something again.

Hawkins is a grease ball and Miceli is a bow-tie clown.
What an idiot reply from Hawkins (I believe it was he) on Yani not making it to 18 majors.

And what purpose does Winn serve?

But I do like Holly Sonders.....a Major babe.....let her talk more....at least she played collegiate golf and must know a thing or two about golf.

The execs of GC are fools.
Steph Sparks is a doll (glad I met her in Portland last yr).....is now MIA this year except for Big Break...she deserves better....I've always felt Steph deserves Kelly's job.
Totally agree. Sonders is very good, not just a vacant babe like Winn. I also like Gary Williams on Morning Drive. You may disagree. One of the biggest idiots when it comes to women's golf on GC is Kraig Kann. What a tool.
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Old 08-04-2011, 07:16 AM   #22
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Cglen...thank you very much for relating your firsthand experience with Danica. I think you nailed it when you alluded to when she did the local tracks around WI and IL she was younger and no diva-ness. Good point! Thanks again for sharing your observations!
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Old 08-04-2011, 08:23 AM   #23
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Originally Posted by Blue View Post
It's not just public, it's a muni.

Hopefully if the women's Open came to Bethpage the USGA wouldn't be as ignorant about the women's game as the LGU was with Carnoustie.

Anyway, I think the reason they haven't hosted the a women's event at Pebble or Bethpage or Torrey Pines (another public course) is that they've been hosting men's events. Hosting big events involves closing the course for a long time leading up to the event and they public/membership who uses the course won't stand for this too often especially if it's for a girl's event.
I don't think that Bethpage Black actually has "foward" tees and the regular tees play at 6700 yds. What is important is how narrow they make the fairways and how deep is the rough. I don't play the Black but watched how they prepared the course for over a year for the Open. How they grew the grass and narrowed out the fairways and lengthened the carries to the fairway. A lot of prep time to get the course just so. Then of course there was all the rain and it went out the window, but still hardly anyone finished under par. You could play the course up until about 3 seeks before the Open.

My mistake for not playing it just before the Open, just to see how tough it really is and to appreciate how good these guys are compared to the rest of us.

The PGA is playing the Barclays there next year.

Actually I think that the Bethpage Red Course would be perfect for the Women, either the Open or a regular event.

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Old 08-04-2011, 10:37 AM   #24
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Bethpage isn't a private course.

Anyone can turn up and play it,I think.

Although,hopefully,not the female pros,as I shudder to think how the USGA would set that course up for a USWO : ''Par will be 75 this week,and we've decided not to play the two most difficult holes.''

I exaggerate,but only slightly...

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Yes, I know Pebble and Bethpage are open to the public.

The USGA knows what they're doing and could set-up BB properly for the women if need be.

Too bad the USGA, and not LGU, didn't set-up the WBO this year.

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The USO for the guys in 2015 is being played at Chambers Bay 3 hrs from where I live....I talked to the pro who came up to a golf show in Vanc this yr.
The USGA has a F/T person working there now and each year that passes they'll add an addition F/T person.

They really control the event....IMO....if the USGA was at the 2010 PGA Champ the Dustin Johnston situation on 18 would likely not occur....the USGA wouldn't have the gallery standing in a bunker. They are quite strict about marshalling an event.

I have a friend who lives in Long Island.....I hope one day to visit him and play BB....he's only played it once....he belongs to a private club......his annual dues are ridiculously high considering the state of the poor economy.
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Old 08-04-2011, 10:50 AM   #25
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Totally agree. Sonders is very good, not just a vacant babe like Winn. I also like Gary Williams on Morning Drive. You may disagree. One of the biggest idiots when it comes to women's golf on GC is Kraig Kann. What a tool.
There are a number of bozos at GC.

You know GC targets to a male audience. You always see Holly in a dress/skirt.....not that I'm complaining.....and sitting on a bar stool.....except when she does that back nine thing.

No other guests sit on that dumb stool.

They should sent Winn and Lauren back to doing the weather at another channel.
Steph should be doing that travel show instead of Lauren....at least Steph would play with the host of the course and talk and ask intelligent questions about the track.

If GC needs some hot blondes...I'd like to see the 2 Canadians Ash & Ash from the reality show Hwy 18....they at least know how to play golf and must have good golf knowledge.
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Old 08-04-2011, 10:52 AM   #26
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Does any one know.

I believe the PGA tour and USGA will pay a host club where an event is held.

I don't think the LPGA has the funds to pay the host club.
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Old 08-04-2011, 11:59 AM   #27
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Originally Posted by Mr3putt View Post
There are a number of bozos at GC.

You know GC targets to a male audience. You always see Holly in a dress/skirt.....not that I'm complaining.....and sitting on a bar stool.....except when she does that back nine thing.

No other guests sit on that dumb stool.

They should sent Winn and Lauren back to doing the weather at another channel.
Steph should be doing that travel show instead of Lauren....at least Steph would play with the host of the course and talk and ask intelligent questions about the track.

If GC needs some hot blondes...I'd like to see the 2 Canadians Ash & Ash from the reality show Hwy 18....they at least know how to play golf and must have good golf knowledge.
I'm not sure who Lauren or Ash and Ash are. I don't watch everything on the Golf Channel so must have missed them. I get that GC has a male audience so the hot chick sidekick works for them, but as you said, she doesn't also have to be dumb. Winn is dumb. Holly is not.
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Old 08-04-2011, 12:11 PM   #28
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Lauren Thompson.....another blonde 'hostess' on GC.

Many female pros who realize they can't make a living playing competitive golf...can't find decent jobs/careers in the golf industry....I imagine a lot could work in a pro shop or be a course instructor.....but those are generally low paying and not glamorous jobs.

I'm sure the competition is fierce for good jobs....supply and demand.

The same would apply to the men.

It's their life,,,,but surprised how many gals continue to play on the Future tour for years....I think many would be 10's of thousands in the hole year after year.

The same goes for some journey men caddies on the LPGA.....don't make much money....some even support families...I thought all would be single guys.
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Old 08-04-2011, 09:03 PM   #29
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Originally Posted by Whistling Straight View Post
Awesome response CT. I am 52 years of age so I hear ya about watching womens tennis on tv although I think you have your era a little too early for when womens tennis became popular on tv - maybe the mid 70's without checking any references. I would seriously question whether or not the networks were covering as much of the women as the men until we saw some of the made-for-tv challenges which sprung up in the mid- to- late- 70's, if my ever-increasing failing memory serves me right. Certainly any rivalries didn't appear until later in the decade because the WTA was too young to have developed rivalries earlier.

Regardless of the timeframe, your points are entirely valid. A single major tournament event with both male/female draws automatically meant coverage for both and it seemed to be that tennis always had marque attractions. Perhaps that's what I reference as the unidentifiable golden ticket explaining the difference between the WTA and the LPGA!

Another excellent point can be concluded concerning the point rallies. I also still enjoy the womens game for its rallies versus the super power mens game. BKB may remember also the days of Andrea Jaeger however when she was criticized for her "moon balls" which slowed matches to the point of boredom for fans...similar to the North Carolina Phil Ford four corner offense! Ahhh i show my age!

By the way, BKB, have you considered a myWTA website? Would love it!
I am the same age, and you are probably correct about the dates. I can't actually remember when I first saw Wimbledon on TV.
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Old 08-05-2011, 02:27 AM   #30
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Originally Posted by Whistling Straight View Post
Awesome response CT. I am 52 years of age so I hear ya about watching womens tennis on tv although I think you have your era a little too early for when womens tennis became popular on tv - maybe the mid 70's without checking any references. I would seriously question whether or not the networks were covering as much of the women as the men until we saw some of the made-for-tv challenges which sprung up in the mid- to- late- 70's, if my ever-increasing failing memory serves me right. Certainly any rivalries didn't appear until later in the decade because the WTA was too young to have developed rivalries earlier.

Regardless of the timeframe, your points are entirely valid. A single major tournament event with both male/female draws automatically meant coverage for both and it seemed to be that tennis always had marque attractions. Perhaps that's what I reference as the unidentifiable golden ticket explaining the difference between the WTA and the LPGA!

Another excellent point can be concluded concerning the point rallies. I also still enjoy the womens game for its rallies versus the super power mens game. BKB may remember also the days of Andrea Jaeger however when she was criticized for her "moon balls" which slowed matches to the point of boredom for fans...similar to the North Carolina Phil Ford four corner offense! Ahhh i show my age!

By the way, BKB, have you considered a myWTA website? Would love it!
Sorry, I've been reading but on the go without time to answer. I do agree also with CT, although I would say that there are exceptions to the big serve no rally men's tennis game. Something like the Isner-Mahut three day marathon at 2010 Wimbledon to me was historic and generated a lot of media interest. However, IMO it was also an example of men's tennis at its worst...two guys serving a ton who can't break serve...the marathon match at the 2011 Australian Open between Francesca Schiavone and Svetlana Kuznetsova, while not generating the same level of interest, had far more skillful and beautiful tennis...

...but...

...current world #1 Novak Djokovic is a master service returner with maybe the best defensive game in the last 20 years...points in his matches often consist of rallies just because he gets back shots that would be winners against anybody else right now (save maybe for Nadal)...the most artistic match on the men's side, IMO, was not the final, but the Wimbledon semifinal between Djokovic and Jo-Wilfred Tsonga...lots of incredible shot making and improvisation...

...and Federer in his prime was (notice I said was...not is) beautiful to watch play...

...all that said...men's tennis is a power affair, and sometimes not as interesting to watch as the women...but there are exceptions...Djokovic, Federer, Tsonga...

...but CT is right...there is a difference...noticeable on telecasts...

...CT is also right about being able to more easily watch who you want to watch...I'm sure we've all had the experience of watching an LPGA event hoping to see (fill in the blank) but despite the fact that they are on the course, she does not make the telecast...with some tennis broadcasts of Majors, even if your favorite is not on the regular broadcast, there is often an online feed, for example ESPN3 online, where you can watch that match instead of what ESPN is showing...not only that, they have an archive for replays...missed the Wimbledon final...you can go watch it there...and even if your favorite golfer is shown on the LPGA broadcast, it might only be a shot or two...unless her name is Creamer or Wie...

...just for giggles, let's pretend cost was not an issue and they had an online broadcast of every group that played during LPGA Majors...so I could watch Se Ri Pak from her tee shot on 1 to her last putt on 18...then, if I missed it, I could go watch Grace Park's full round...or maybe Pornanong Phatlum, if she qualified...you can replace Se Ri's name with whomever is your favorite...Creamer, Wie, Tseng, Gulbis, Kerr, Shin, etc...that would be amazing...people wouldn't have to complain about watching (fill in the blank)...with a few mouse clicks you can go watch who you want...unfortunately, it's also not going to happen anytime soon...if ever...it would just cost too much...

...actually now that I think about it...the Masters had something interesting...where you could for free watch online...through CBS Sports online I think...Amen corner...then a specific group or two...it was something like that...I was watching that along with the regular broadcast...not quite the same as watching whomever you want...and the LPGA does have events where there is a camera or cameras on a specific hole or holes...still not the same...

...mywta...I barely have time to post here and at SS as much as I'd like...it's actually 3 in the morning right now as I type this...my blog is my #1 priority...sometimes I might only post one entry a day...but that's after combing through tons of stories and events...and the related pics or videos...I just whittle it down to a few posts a day...can't post everything...

...and speaking of posts...and since we have talked about Yani in this thread...here's a post I thought some folks here might like to see...as it deals with Yani and glamming it up a bit...or at least starting to plant that seed in Yani's mind...

my blog: Yani Tseng Glams It Up At Lacoste Exhibition In Taiwan Fairways And Forehands

...is more make-up the key to Yani getting more sponsors? Should she start wearing pink skirts? IMO, no and no. She should be herself. If she never makes the top 10 on the best paid female athletes list, then so be it...I guess she will have to be content with making the millions she does earn and being the best golfer on the planet...that's not too shabby...
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