Is This Girl for Real?

PW · 07-04-2007, 11:57 AM

Originally Posted by swordsy

Sounds like you're a little jealous. Her "drama queen" antics aren't quite as bad as that other "pro" golfer who says her wrist is fine, but then says it hurts everytime she hits a bad shot and finally withdrawals because of the shear agony she's in. I don't like Pressel's crying either, but face it, she's a female. Girls can cry at the drop of a hat. Atleast she's earned her way onto the tour.

A word of advise, if you don't want a thread to turn in to a Wie thread, than don't take a shot at her. It sounds like you want to be able to make a nasty comment and nobody is allowed to respond!

I'll refrain from responding to your crack because I don't like to see threads turn in to Wie threads either.

07-04-2007, 12:02 PM

Sorry. I didn't know you were only allowed to crack on Pressel in this thread. And honestly, I don't care if this turns into another Wie thread or not. I don't get my panties in a bunch like some others do. And fyi, it's "advice", not "advise".

PW · 07-04-2007, 12:07 PM

Originally Posted by swordsy

Sorry. I didn't know you were only allowed to crack on Pressel in this thread. And honestly, I don't care if this turns into another Wie thread or not. I don't get my panties in a bunch like some others do. And fyi, it's "advice", not "advise".

I try not to take shots at any player. But if you do, don't criticize people for responding.

MarinePaul · 07-04-2007, 12:34 PM

Originally Posted by PW

I try not to take shots at any player. But if you do, don't criticize people for responding.

Fair enough, PW. My problem is that one of the posters who accuse everyone who says anything negative about Wie is the one who starts a thread in Morgan's folder that's intended as a negative. That, I suppose, isn't "bashing" though. After all, it's from one of the indignant ones.

07-04-2007, 01:08 PM

Originally Posted by PW

I try not to take shots at any player. But if you do, don't criticize people for responding.

I only criticize people when I'm criticized and I only take shots at players when others take shots at players. If your'e going to dish it out, ya gotta take it. All's fair in love, war, and message boards!

Carl Spackler · 07-04-2007, 04:07 PM

The reason I originally posted was to add some ?non-playing? evidence that Morgan is immature (which might?ve contributed to her Open meltdown, as pointed out in earlier posts).

The topic?s sort of morphed into a ?what?s appropriate behavior for an athlete? topic, and I just wanted to clarify that of all of Morgan?s behavior that I?ve seen, almost all of it?s fine by me, but 5 seconds of it was just plain stupid.

(And I hope her handlers read this and tell her to keep talking about her game to her ball, but suppress her urge to talk about spectators.)

A pro athlete can?t tailor her game to what she thinks fans want, otherwise she won?t have a world class game. She has to let fans that are into her style come to her. So, a volcano like Morgan will attract Jeremy Shockey and repel Tim Duncan fans, and an icegirl like Angela Park will do the opposite. If her attitude hinders her game, we as fans can hope (or hope not) that the behavior is corrected, but that?s between her and her coaches.

Concerning Morgan?s outspokenness, all the power to her. The mind games must be intense inside an LPGA clubhouse, and she should do whatever she needs to do to get/keep a mental edge. (LPGA members may be ?friends?, but I wouldn?t like it if my friends tried to steal bacon out of my refrigerator.)

Concerning dissing fans, there are valid reasons for a pro athlete to diss fans, and they do it all the time. To win them over (Vernon Wells writing the funny message on the ball he threw to the bleacher hecklers), to score points with hometown fans (comments by Red Sox players about Yankee fans), and maybe even to send his game to a higher level (Reggie Miller trash talking to celebrity row at the Garden).

But dissing a fan for no reason is just stupid. The 5 seconds Morgan took to look at me, turn to her partner and make a throwaway comment, turned me into an Angela Park fan. I didn?t fully realize it until I started thinking about it, but I was rooting for Angela at the Open to knock Morgan out of the record books.

I?m sure Morgan never considered her comment before making it, and forgot it before her next shot. But that?s my point. In 5 immature seconds Morgan created a fan of someone who could become a lifelong rival, and I don?t see how that helps her.

(And to all the Morgan fans out there, don?t worry, I know teenagers are teenagers and I hope Morgan remains the world class athlete she is, I just won?t be in the crowd following her.)

Now, where?s the thread about the rivalry between Takeru Kobayashi and Joey Chestnut?

MarinePaul · 07-04-2007, 05:11 PM

Carl, I have absolutely no problem with your post. You shared an experience you had that had a negative effect on your feelings toward Morgan. You're certainly entitled to do that, and I doubt that anyone can say that you're bashing Morgan.

As a huge fan of hers, I'm disappointed that she'd do something like that, but I've also accepted the fact that she's not perfect, so I'm not overly surprised.

I have no problem with criticism of Morgan, or any other player, if it's based on an experience like yours. What I do have a problem with is that the very people who call some of us "bashers" aren't at all shy about posting negative things about other players.

dangerbob · 07-04-2007, 06:52 PM

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler

Now, I?m a new LPGA fan and probably not a typical one by any means, and my dress that day would?ve been the norm for Shea Stadium, but it wasn?t the norm for Locust Hill. Regardless, I am the ?reason? Morgan can make millions of $ playing a game, and expect to be treated as such (ie feel free to ignore me, Morgan, as every other professional athlete does when I watch them perform).

I?m quietly watching from a good distance away (the only spectator around), and in a voice I can clearly hear Morgan makes an insulting comment about me to her partner! It was the kind of thing I might expect to hear from a high school kid at the mall, but frankly I was shocked to hear it coming from a world class professional athlete. To her credit, Morgan?s partner (who?s only barely out her teens herself) looked embarrassed and ignored the comment.

What exactly did Morgan said about you? Can you be more specific? Since you mentioned about your "dress", I assume you are a female.
I met Morgan during the Women's U.S. Open here at Cherry Hills in 2005. She posed picture with me. Since then, I became a big fan of hers. Aside from being emotional/and (a crier)...I found her nice and friendly and didn't hesitate to sign autograph to those who asked.
I like Morgan and support her...but I'm not a Morganmaniac who'll get upset if someone criticizes her. Everyone have their own opinion and experiences with certain players and you're one of them. It's too bad...in your case, it's an unpleasant one.

MarinePaul · 07-04-2007, 08:15 PM

Originally Posted by dangerbob

What exactly did Morgan said about you? Can you be more specific? Since you mentioned about your "dress", I assume you are a female.
I met Morgan during the Women's U.S. Open here at Cherry Hills in 2005. She posed picture with me. Since then, I became a big fan of hers. Aside from being emotional/and (a crier)...I found her nice and friendly and didn't hesitate to sign autograph to those who asked.
I like Morgan and support her...but I'm not a Morganmaniac who'll get upset if someone criticizes her. Everyone have their own opinion and experiences with certain players and you're one of them. It's too bad...in your case, it's an unpleasant one.

From this and other threads, it seems that some people have had positive experiences with various players, and others have had negatiive experiences. The reason for that is anybody's guess, but it seems to happen not only to Morgan, but others as well. Maybe it was a bad day, maybe it was something else.

WowWie · 07-08-2007, 04:33 AM

I'm not into bashing Morgan, but, sometimes I think she deserves some criticism.
I'm glad she won a major this year. Now, that's certainly more than I can say about Michelle, right?

07-04-2007, 11:57 AM	#21
PW Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 926	Originally Posted by swordsy Sounds like you're a little jealous. Her "drama queen" antics aren't quite as bad as that other "pro" golfer who says her wrist is fine, but then says it hurts everytime she hits a bad shot and finally withdrawals because of the shear agony she's in. I don't like Pressel's crying either, but face it, she's a female. Girls can cry at the drop of a hat. Atleast she's earned her way onto the tour. A word of advise, if you don't want a thread to turn in to a Wie thread, than don't take a shot at her. It sounds like you want to be able to make a nasty comment and nobody is allowed to respond! I'll refrain from responding to your crack because I don't like to see threads turn in to Wie threads either.

07-04-2007, 12:02 PM	#22
swordsy Guest Posts: n/a	Sorry. I didn't know you were only allowed to crack on Pressel in this thread. And honestly, I don't care if this turns into another Wie thread or not. I don't get my panties in a bunch like some others do. And fyi, it's "advice", not "advise". Last edited by swordsy; 07-04-2007 at 12:05 PM.

07-04-2007, 12:07 PM	#23
PW Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 926	Originally Posted by swordsy Sorry. I didn't know you were only allowed to crack on Pressel in this thread. And honestly, I don't care if this turns into another Wie thread or not. I don't get my panties in a bunch like some others do. And fyi, it's "advice", not "advise". I try not to take shots at any player. But if you do, don't criticize people for responding.

07-04-2007, 12:34 PM	#24
MarinePaul Moderator Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Warren, Ohio Posts: 8,001	Originally Posted by PW I try not to take shots at any player. But if you do, don't criticize people for responding. Fair enough, PW. My problem is that one of the posters who accuse everyone who says anything negative about Wie is the one who starts a thread in Morgan's folder that's intended as a negative. That, I suppose, isn't "bashing" though. After all, it's from one of the indignant ones. __________________ Happiness isn't getting what you want, it's wanting what you have.

07-04-2007, 01:08 PM	#25
swordsy Guest Posts: n/a	Originally Posted by PW I try not to take shots at any player. But if you do, don't criticize people for responding. I only criticize people when I'm criticized and I only take shots at players when others take shots at players. If your'e going to dish it out, ya gotta take it. All's fair in love, war, and message boards!

07-04-2007, 04:07 PM	#26
Carl Spackler Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 57	The reason I originally posted was to add some ?non-playing? evidence that Morgan is immature (which might?ve contributed to her Open meltdown, as pointed out in earlier posts). The topic?s sort of morphed into a ?what?s appropriate behavior for an athlete? topic, and I just wanted to clarify that of all of Morgan?s behavior that I?ve seen, almost all of it?s fine by me, but 5 seconds of it was just plain stupid. (And I hope her handlers read this and tell her to keep talking about her game to her ball, but suppress her urge to talk about spectators.) A pro athlete can?t tailor her game to what she thinks fans want, otherwise she won?t have a world class game. She has to let fans that are into her style come to her. So, a volcano like Morgan will attract Jeremy Shockey and repel Tim Duncan fans, and an icegirl like Angela Park will do the opposite. If her attitude hinders her game, we as fans can hope (or hope not) that the behavior is corrected, but that?s between her and her coaches. Concerning Morgan?s outspokenness, all the power to her. The mind games must be intense inside an LPGA clubhouse, and she should do whatever she needs to do to get/keep a mental edge. (LPGA members may be ?friends?, but I wouldn?t like it if my friends tried to steal bacon out of my refrigerator.) Concerning dissing fans, there are valid reasons for a pro athlete to diss fans, and they do it all the time. To win them over (Vernon Wells writing the funny message on the ball he threw to the bleacher hecklers), to score points with hometown fans (comments by Red Sox players about Yankee fans), and maybe even to send his game to a higher level (Reggie Miller trash talking to celebrity row at the Garden). But dissing a fan for no reason is just stupid. The 5 seconds Morgan took to look at me, turn to her partner and make a throwaway comment, turned me into an Angela Park fan. I didn?t fully realize it until I started thinking about it, but I was rooting for Angela at the Open to knock Morgan out of the record books. I?m sure Morgan never considered her comment before making it, and forgot it before her next shot. But that?s my point. In 5 immature seconds Morgan created a fan of someone who could become a lifelong rival, and I don?t see how that helps her. (And to all the Morgan fans out there, don?t worry, I know teenagers are teenagers and I hope Morgan remains the world class athlete she is, I just won?t be in the crowd following her.) Now, where?s the thread about the rivalry between Takeru Kobayashi and Joey Chestnut? __________________ In the immortal words of Jean Paul Sartre, "Au revoir, gopher".

07-04-2007, 05:11 PM	#27
MarinePaul Moderator Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Warren, Ohio Posts: 8,001	Carl, I have absolutely no problem with your post. You shared an experience you had that had a negative effect on your feelings toward Morgan. You're certainly entitled to do that, and I doubt that anyone can say that you're bashing Morgan. As a huge fan of hers, I'm disappointed that she'd do something like that, but I've also accepted the fact that she's not perfect, so I'm not overly surprised. I have no problem with criticism of Morgan, or any other player, if it's based on an experience like yours. What I do have a problem with is that the very people who call some of us "bashers" aren't at all shy about posting negative things about other players. __________________ Happiness isn't getting what you want, it's wanting what you have.

07-04-2007, 06:52 PM	#28
dangerbob Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 4,871	Originally Posted by Carl Spackler Now, I?m a new LPGA fan and probably not a typical one by any means, and my dress that day would?ve been the norm for Shea Stadium, but it wasn?t the norm for Locust Hill. Regardless, I am the ?reason? Morgan can make millions of $ playing a game, and expect to be treated as such (ie feel free to ignore me, Morgan, as every other professional athlete does when I watch them perform). I?m quietly watching from a good distance away (the only spectator around), and in a voice I can clearly hear Morgan makes an insulting comment about me to her partner! It was the kind of thing I might expect to hear from a high school kid at the mall, but frankly I was shocked to hear it coming from a world class professional athlete. To her credit, Morgan?s partner (who?s only barely out her teens herself) looked embarrassed and ignored the comment. What exactly did Morgan said about you? Can you be more specific? Since you mentioned about your "dress", I assume you are a female. I met Morgan during the Women's U.S. Open here at Cherry Hills in 2005. She posed picture with me. Since then, I became a big fan of hers. Aside from being emotional/and (a crier)...I found her nice and friendly and didn't hesitate to sign autograph to those who asked. I like Morgan and support her...but I'm not a Morganmaniac who'll get upset if someone criticizes her. Everyone have their own opinion and experiences with certain players and you're one of them. It's too bad...in your case, it's an unpleasant one. __________________ "On this hapless EARTH There's small SINCERITY of mirth And LAUGHTER oft is but an ART To drown the outcry of the HEART!"

07-04-2007, 08:15 PM	#29
MarinePaul Moderator Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Warren, Ohio Posts: 8,001	Originally Posted by dangerbob What exactly did Morgan said about you? Can you be more specific? Since you mentioned about your "dress", I assume you are a female. I met Morgan during the Women's U.S. Open here at Cherry Hills in 2005. She posed picture with me. Since then, I became a big fan of hers. Aside from being emotional/and (a crier)...I found her nice and friendly and didn't hesitate to sign autograph to those who asked. I like Morgan and support her...but I'm not a Morganmaniac who'll get upset if someone criticizes her. Everyone have their own opinion and experiences with certain players and you're one of them. It's too bad...in your case, it's an unpleasant one. From this and other threads, it seems that some people have had positive experiences with various players, and others have had negatiive experiences. The reason for that is anybody's guess, but it seems to happen not only to Morgan, but others as well. Maybe it was a bad day, maybe it was something else. __________________ Happiness isn't getting what you want, it's wanting what you have.

07-08-2007, 04:33 AM	#30
WowWie Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Chicago Posts: 32	I'm not into bashing Morgan, but, sometimes I think she deserves some criticism. I'm glad she won a major this year. Now, that's certainly more than I can say about Michelle, right?

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