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Old 01-26-2007, 05:14 PM   #51
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Thanks wiefan and DetroitDan.

Let me toss out a few things and maybe we can get in touch Ms. Biven's vision for the LPGA. I don't have any inside information, but it seems this way to me.

The media incident at the 2005 Sony:

When LPGA players spend five or six hours a day playing in front of the media and public, things happen that could embarrass the player or the tour; a wardrobe malfunction, scratching or picking in the wrong area or maybe the errant club that slips into a tree or the water accidently after a difficult shot.

Asking for the Medias cooperation in advance might have been a better way to go in the first place. I can understand the theory that players are entertainers and should have proprietary rights to images taken while they are on stage, but golf is a sport after all.

Tour schedules change for various reasons and events are dropped, moved or added for one reason or another. The first questions I would think a Commissioner asks is how does the event benefit the tour (players) and what is the future growth potential of the event.

The LPGA for many years subsidized TV broadcasts of their events, underwritten many of the costs of putting on an event and been offered purses that are just a fraction of what is offered at a PGA event. These issues had to change for the tour to survive and become profitable for the player owners. These same transformations took place on the PGA Tour decades ago and look where it took the tour.

Passing out a local exemption for Kimberly Kim was a brilliant move that just might help the Hawaii events carry the day without Michelle in the field. It makes sense to have the best local players in the field at events held in their home state to help boost attendance.

With a little bit of vision on our part, it is apparent in what direction Ms. Bivens is taking the LPGA Tour; Straight Up.

Now all she has to do is figure out what to do about Michelle Wie.

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Old 01-26-2007, 05:38 PM   #52
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Hi ya PacRim....what a terriffic Post....great analysis of Carolyn...at least the way I see it......here is what is the problem.....no one really knows the WHOLE story behind any decision made by Carolyn or the LPGA.....and perhaps rightfully so....some stuff are not for Public ears anyway....but since we don't know the inside scoop on stuff, this is why there are a lot of "negative" ideas and opinions....but I would like to think that the Players themselves are aware of the "rhymes and reasonings" of these decisions.....maybe through their Player's representatives or whatever.....but I would like to think that they are imformed....thus....my belief that if the players themselves are not Revolting....then there must be some validity behind Carolyn and the LPGA's decisions.....it is just that we as posters are not aware of them

and as long as there is no massive upthrow of the governing body by the players....I say....Let Carolyn continue doing what she is doing....the players are basically independent contractors....the "Overthrow" would not be hard for them to do if they really believed it wasn't for their own good and correct

anyway.....terriffic post PacRim....have a good day....see ya!!
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Old 01-27-2007, 05:39 AM   #53
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Hi PAC RIM,thanks for the excellant post.You bring up some very valid points about her decisions that she has made.

Regarding the picture rights:I can see her point in wanting to help protect the players from a possibly embarrassing situation,but with the cell phones that can take pictures,practically anyone can take a picture of any player at any time.What is going to stop that from happening?...The only way to prevent it is to ban cell phones at the tournaments,and even if you do that,you know that someone will still get one through,so that is going to be a continual problem not just for the LPGA,but for all the tours.

Regarding the dropped tournaments:Many people when they first hear about a dropped tournament automatically blame Carolyn for it,even if she had nothing to do with it being dropped in the first place.The Wendy's Championship for Children is a good example.Wendy's started going downhill right after Dave Thomas' death,and now is planning on closing their franchises due to financial difficulties.They would have dropped the LPGA tournament no matter who the commissioner was.

And if a corporation doesn't wish to sponsor a LPGA event,how is that Carolyn's fault?...I'm sure she is talking to people and trying to get sponsors to keep some of the dropped events on the schedule,but with the uncertainty facing most of corporate America,it is not an easy sell,like it would be if our economy was booming.Any success that Carolyn has in this area should be applauded by us LPGA fans.

Regarding the TV broadcasts:It tells me a great deal when I hear that the LPGA has to actually pay for someone to broadcast one of their tournaments,and they can still turn a profit off of it.That wouldn't be possible without good sound business practices,so I feel the LPGA is doing fine as far as the business side goes.

The hardest part right now about Carolyn's job is to try to secure some sort of TV deal with someone to help draw in new fans and keep the LPGA moving forward.She has to find another avenue besides TGC,because as everyone knows,TGC is not available to all of us,and besides,with them showing more of the PGA coverage,that leaves little room to show the LPGA live,because their tournaments are usually happening at the same time as the PGA events.That fact can't be changed,so she has to try to get some other network to carry them live.Not an easy task,and it is made more difficult if the LPGA still has to pay for the right to be shown.

Final Thoughts:20 or 30 years down the road,I can see both the PGA and the LPGA having their own channels to broadcast their tournaments on.It may or may not be a rating's bonanza for either of them,but I can still see plenty of people tuning in to watch both of them.
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Old 01-28-2007, 02:29 AM   #54
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Originally Posted by DetroitDan View Post
Final Thoughts:20 or 30 years down the road,I can see both the PGA and the LPGA having their own channels to broadcast their tournaments on.It may or may not be a rating's bonanza for either of them,but I can still see plenty of people tuning in to watch both of them.
DetroitDan,

That should be about when the average golf course reaches 12,000 yards long.


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Old 01-28-2007, 03:43 AM   #55
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Originally Posted by PAC RIM View Post
DetroitDan,

That should be about when the average golf course reaches 12,000 yards long.

YIKES!...I have a hard enough time with a 6,000 yard course,forget any longer for now.Show me a course that long,and I'll show you someone who injects helium into the core of the ball.
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Old 01-28-2007, 03:36 PM   #56
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Originally Posted by DetroitDan View Post
YIKES!...I have a hard enough time with a 6,000 yard course,forget any longer for now.Show me a course that long,and I'll show you someone who injects helium into the core of the ball.
Don't worry about it DD, by then we will be hitting rocket assisted drivers and spent uranium core golf balls. KABOOM!!!

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Old 01-28-2007, 07:07 PM   #57
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Smile Oh!...I'm not that worried.

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Don't worry about it DD, by then we will be hitting rocket assisted drivers and spent uranium core golf balls. KABOOM!!!

Yep,and have rocket propelled golf shoes(for the walkers),golf carts that are air-propelled(for the riders),and glasses that will tell you the exact distance to the hole(for the golfer who needs everything).None of these things,however great they may be,will help anyone shoot better at the TPC @ Sawgrass.

Just trying to help get the thread back on track.
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