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Old 01-21-2007, 11:57 AM   #11
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Detroit, I've always believed in loyalty, which Bivens has shown none of to the sponsors who have supported the LPGA for years. She's tried strongarm tactics which backfired on her, admittedly goes around "pissing people off," has hired executives only to have them quit just a few months later, etc. Giving her more than one season may do some serious damage to the LPGA.

When she first took the job, I encouraged Notaxbill top give her time. Shortly thereafter, the media fiasco started. Here in Ohio, we had three tournaments a few years ago. We now have one. Granted, the Giant Eagle died under Votaw's watch, but the Wendy's was under Bivens. Then there's the issue of televising events. Many posters don't have access to The Golf Channel, and those of us who do would prefer to watch an event before we know the outcome, rather than on tape delay.
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Old 01-21-2007, 06:47 PM   #12
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Detroit, I've always believed in loyalty, which Bivens has shown none of to the sponsors who have supported the LPGA for years. She's tried strongarm tactics which backfired on her, admittedly goes around "pissing people off," has hired executives only to have them quit just a few months later, etc. Giving her more than one season may do some serious damage to the LPGA.

When she first took the job, I encouraged Notaxbill top give her time. Shortly thereafter, the media fiasco started. Here in Ohio, we had three tournaments a few years ago. We now have one. Granted, the Giant Eagle died under Votaw's watch, but the Wendy's was under Bivens. Then there's the issue of televising events. Many posters don't have access to The Golf Channel, and those of us who do would prefer to watch an event before we know the outcome, rather than on tape delay.
I really can't disagree with anything you posted as far as Carolyn getting off to a horrible start as commish.The red flags definately went up when the few executives she hired resigned abruptly.The media fiasco about picture rights was another disasterous move,since that definately made a big difference in the way that most of the media views her as the leader of the LPGA.I am lucky to even be able to read a small paragraph in the newspaper about an LPGA tournament anymore.Thankfully,the Detroit Free Press has a good golf writer like Monarrez,who also has a beef of sorts as far as the way that she is running the LPGA,and isn't afraid to write his feelings about the job she is doing.He is not among her biggest supporter's,either.

Granted,Carolyn could very well do some serious damage to the LPGA,especially if she doesn't want to negotiate with the sponsors about the tournament dates being changed around.You have to keep the people happy that keep you in business,and if she is to succeed she will have to do this.

The Wendy's tournament being dropped I don't feel was Carolyn's fault.Wendy's was apparently having financial difficulties at that time,and decided that they couldn't afford the investment any longer.I hear that the Wendy's franchise chain may be closing soon due to these difficulties,so it looks like they would have dropped the LPGA no matter who the commissioner was.

I agree with you also about the tape delayed coverage.I would rather see the event telecast live,no matter if it is on TGC,ESPN,NBC,or whatever,but I will take tape delayed coverage over no coverage at all.
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Old 01-21-2007, 07:42 PM   #13
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Detroit, the fact of the matter is that most of us who post here will watch tape delay, assuming our cable provider offers TGC. The thing is, in order to grow, the LPGA will have to attract new viewers. That's hardly a way to do it.
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Old 01-21-2007, 08:44 PM   #14
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Detroit, the fact of the matter is that most of us who post here will watch tape delay, assuming our cable provider offers TGC. The thing is, in order to grow, the LPGA will have to attract new viewers. That's hardly a way to do it.
You're right,and Carolyn will have to do something about that.The TV situation is pretty bad,considering there were at least a half a dozen tournaments that didn't get covered at all last year.If the LPGA is to do any growing at all,they need to have more live coverage of their tournaments,because the current amount of coverage isn't going to reach enough viewers to make a real difference.It is not going to attract any new fans not having their tournaments shown,and even some of the fans they do have will not watch a tape delayed telecast because they already know who won,and the suspense is gone altogether.It is sort of like watching a rerun.

I will continue to watch them when they are on,tape delayed or not,because I have been a golf watcher on TV for a long time.The tape delayed telecast has it's advantages to me on Thursday and Friday rounds,because I work during the day.On the weekend though,I would like to see the coverage live.
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On Thursday or Friday, the tournament hasn't been determined. Tape delay on those days isn't a big deal. The weekends are another story all together, though. You also have to realize that many posters don't have TGC, so they're even more screwed.
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On Thursday or Friday, the tournament hasn't been determined. Tape delay on those days isn't a big deal. The weekends are another story all together, though. You also have to realize that many posters don't have TGC, so they're even more screwed.
It seems as though TGC is missing on many cable systems throughout the US,and I have heard others claim they have to pay extra to receive it.TGC is a good way to be shown,but I think Carolyn needs to work more on getting the major networks(NBC,CBS) and to a lesser degree(ESPN,USA) to start carrying the LPGA tournaments.She needs to check with anyone interested in them,and try to work out some sort of television agreement.That I feel is the only way that many potential fans will be brought aboard.You have to reach them first...That should be one of Carolyn's top priorities,but her relationship with the media is going to make this process extremely difficult.
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Exactly. So, why we should give her time to screw up even more is beyond me.
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Old 01-22-2007, 12:51 PM   #18
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1) Anybody with $350 can play it at any time.

2) The major networks are cutting back on golf. ABC is out altogether and ESPN is probably only showing the events that the LPGA buys time for. The others do not show the winter season anymore(HW events, Hope, etc). All on TGC. The Networks only want the bigger events.

3) In the US, Eventually all golf (PGA) will be on cable except maybe for the majors. It could be TGC or the PGA's own chanelle. I would bet that the PGA will eventually take over TGC or form a financial partnership with it. This is the future. Even with a potentially smaller audiance right now, they can maximize a higer profit.

4) If you like watching tournament Golf, then get TGC. This past Sunday you could have watched golf all day long. Euro Tour in the morning, LPGA World Cup in the afternoon, PGA Hope in the Afternoon, Champions at night.

Also they are not afraid of going over time when necessery. This is a problem with the LPGA when they are on the Networks or ESPN. Also they provide longer coverage for the LPGA then the networks( usually 2.5 - 3 hrs). They need to improve coverage (more cameras to cover more of the course at once). I think that this is starting to happen now that they have the PGA to cover.

Yes right now they show alot of infomercials for majical crystals, but it is the future for golf on TV. The problem right now is that not everybody can get it. And some like myself have to pay a special fee $5 for a "Special Tier" that includes it.

5) The problem for the LPGA is that they will get squeezed out of any prime viewing time (ie live). The also need a real contract with TGC and ESPN or someone else for regular coverage.
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Hi ya everybody....wowWIE....this golfcourse thread has sure turned into a Carolyn One fast...thanks Marinepaul....good job....let me talk about "LPGA Events and TV coverages"

ever since the LPGA started, women's golf has taken a "BACK SEAT" to other sports when TV is involved....when you look at viewer's interests in the LPGA....it is growing, but it is still playing a "2nd Fiddle" to the PGA....it has however gotten even and maybe even slightly surpassed the Champions Tour and Nationwide....anyway.....here is my point....to get networks "Buzzed" into showcasing more LPGA events....you need a "BUZZER"....Tiger is the "BUZZER" that draws viewers and pushes up TV ratings and Tournament attendance....the Phils, Vijays, Furyks, etc are just terriffic players that compliment the BUZZ that Tiger attracts.....the LPGA does have the terriffic players in Annika, Karrie, Lorena, Paula, Morgan, Christie, the Koreans, etc.....BUT DO THEY HAVE A "BUZZER"....if you are honest in answering this....you will know that these ladies are great players BUT they don't have that "BUZZ APPEAL" that Viewers will tune in for and thus increase the TV ratings for the networks....thus, the LPGA will either have to PAY for their TV coverages or just have to deal with the action they are getting right now....some events covered, tape delay, etc

I know that Marinepaul is going to be "pissed" BUT THIS IS THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER....Michelle is the "BUZZER" that could help get the LPGA to it's next level of TV Coverages and perhaps revenue.....Look around you....Media Articles, Blogs, Discussion sites, TV Interviews, Sports discussion shows....there are so many people intrigued about the Wie Adventure....some for it, some against it....but the bottom line is that it is getting discussed and it is getting discussed BIG TIME....so with this FACT, this becomes the "BUZZ" that the TV people need to justify their showing events that MW plays in....but there is a big problem in this

we all know the Problem....Wiesy is NOT a member thus Only 6 sponsor Exemptions allowed....no one knows how long she will be a member, should she apply for membership.....no one can bribe the kid with Money to sign up with the LPGA for long term, she already has more than she can spend.....the Kid is probably the most well known Woman Golfer, outside of Annika, that people recognize....but she doesn't belong to the LPGA Tour.....

Because of MW's great magnitism and popularity, I am a believer that the LPGA should take full advantage of this....this 6 sponsor's exemptions Limit....should be increased to at least 8....this would mean that the LPGA could get this "BUZZ factor for 2 more events than it normally would....and who knows HOW the mind of Wiesy could eventually swing to making it a signed membership....either way, it is a PLUS for the LPGA.....you could even look at it this way.....any player that SMASHES Wiesy could eventually become the new "BUZZER" in time....then the LPGA won't have to deal with this MW Problem....

I can truly understand Carolyn's predicament about not wanting to give MW special treatment....but Carolyn is in a slight bind when she has to negotiate new TV contracts and Sponsor attraction....if she had this "BUZZER" factor to use....perhaps her hold cards now get a little stronger....it is hard for Carolyn and the LPGA to exert pressure, when their MOST HIGHEST PROFILE PLAYER is NOT in their stable....TWO more LPGA events for MW to play in does NOT constitute her as being in the stable, but if 10 events constitute the LPGA Minimum requirement...then 8 is darn CLOSER than 6....plus 8 sponsor exemptions could very well assist the LPGA when the NEXT SIGHTING of a GOLF Phenom is sighted....instead of 6 events, this NEW Phenom will have 8 to showcase and enlighten new viewers to the LPGA

I am NOT saying that Wiesy will be the "savior"....heck!!....the LPGA will exist with or without her....but the fact remains....MW is the "BUZZER NOW" that the LPGA could take advantage of....

let me talk about "making deals"....everyone thinks making deals is very underhanded....probably so....other's don't get deals, why should someone get them....here is my thoughts....sometimes you gotta do stuff because someone has something that the others do not possess....in this case....MW has a strong Magnetism in drawing power, while others do not....here is a scenerio that I would present at a Carolyn/Wiesy private meeting....I would ease the requirements of 6 exemptions to 8 and I would eliminate the restrictions of the ADT Championship of gotta have LPGA Membership....BUT....in return, I would ask the Wies to use two exemptions to help out struggling LPGA events.....using a potential "Stanford School Schedule" I would list about 4 or 5 possible LPGA tournaments that I would FORCE MW to participate in at least 2 minimum.....think about this....the LPGA gets Wiesy for 2 extra events to showcase the LPGA and make their sponsor's happy and perhaps even "GOOD" TV coverages....the LPGA could even get "BETTER" visability for their ADT should Wiesy qualify in the Rankings and Money earnings prior....what would the Wie's get out of this....again PLUS....a good chance of Wiesy maybe actually winning an event that she need badly....also it gives Wiesy a better choice of selecting what she is going to do in her "off weeks" of Golfing....please remember that Wiesy only played in the John Deere in the first place because she couldn't play in any LPGA event....please understand that this scenerio deal could also be a PLUS for the NEXT NEW PHENOM to come along....but for now....Wiesy holds the "Buzzer" position

I am sure that this post of mine will "irritate" some of you....but I am only posting this because I believe I am correct in my thinking....if you got the "Buzzer" in sight, you gotta PRESS the BUZZER to make it work...and you might as well PRESS the BUZZER until the Batteries die out.....but first, you gotta get closer to the buzzer so you can make use of it.

anyway....all of you have a great day....see ya!!

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Yep. the whole world revolves around the Messiah, Wiefan. Whatever you say.
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